Gone but not forgotten

[FM2]

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[ 06-24-2002, 10:17 AM: Message edited by: FM2 ]

[Get Bent]

:hoboy:

[ 06-24-2002, 11:09 AM: Message edited by: Get Bent Tackle ]

[husker]

thats worthy.....^5

[spook]

[ 06-25-2002, 01:12 PM: Message edited by: spook ]

[AngleThis]

Give that man a cigar!!

[choppers]

dude, nice fish. way to go.

[TundraIII]

Holy crap... blubber blubber sniff sniff ..... thats beautiful man!

[Firedog]

Nice fish, was it a keeper or did it move on? Looks like it is still alive by looking at the eyes.

[blackdog]

Nice fish!!!!!!! I'm sure jealousy is running rampant right now. And hopefully he practices better catch and release handling techniques than that on the natives. I'm fairly certain you don't want to be grabbin' by the gill plates before release :rolleyes:

[fishing is life]

beauty of a fish. it looks smaller than a 49#. did you get it weighed? congratulations!

[FishinMission]

I'm with "Fishing is Life".....although it's a nice fish...I'd have to say it looks more like around 35-40 to me. And I certainly hope it was a keeper seeing the grip on it!!

Regardless...it's still awful nice!!

Mark

[CATCH AND EAT]

I figured that there would be a little Terry bashing from your purist types that release perfectly every time (including the native bleeders you release) :rolleyes: Kids the fish was handled correctly and carefully and did not miss a beat!!! :smile: As far as the single finger in the very front part of the chin.... better than dropping this baby on its head or side. And yes it was a native and no it did not die. :rolleyes:

The measurements were given to Gary at Great American Tackle. They are truthful measurements for you NON BELIEVERS. Gary calculates the fish at 49#'s. No it was not officially weighed since it was a NATIVE!!! :hoboy: :wink:

Come on Fishin Mission, give the guy some credit. Do the math :grin: . You have'nt seen a fish in a while huh Mark? I know, I know....I'll shut up Springer Master :cheers: just joshin ya.

Since we are disputing the weight....it was 59#'s.

[k9jeff]

yeeehawwwwww,, The look on the mans face says it all.... :grin:

[Firedog]

C and E, Bleeders there is nothing any of us can do about when that happens. I hate turning them loose but it is the law. Keeping the hands out of the gills is a diferent story. You say better than droping it on its head, then leave it in the water and you wont have the chance of dropping it on its head! There are four fingers inside the gill plate in that picture. It may have swam off just fine and that is great, just use some care when handling nates. That is a great fish and any of us would have loved to have caught it but it needs to be handled right.

[ 06-22-2002, 07:43 PM: Message edited by: firedog ]

[CATCH AND EAT]

Hoboy: :hoboy: :hoboy: See what I mean? Can't share, defend, and love without being criticized to death. graemlins/eek13.gif :wink:

It's a great fish, handle as gently as a 49#er could be for a photo opp. Guess it should not have even been posted :rolleyes: . It's not this....does'nt weigh that....fingers in the gill....foul hooked....the guys too old....boats to small....dumped the pee bucket on the floor.....!!! Okay, I still love ya all anyways. graemlins/hearton.gif :grin:

Lighten up and enjoy a little. Go catch a fish! :wink:

[Fishalot]

I think a photo is a great thing to have of a fishthat was caught, In the water or out. Im not sure how a person goes about measureing a fish of that size in or out of the water without touching places they should not. I have seen top guide take measurements that took a long time with the fish next to the boat . I love to see fish that size.

Fishalot

[Orange bobber]

Springers that are handled too much lose their slimecoats. Fungus and infection sets in during the long summer months waiting for fall to spawn. Many become fungusheads and die before spawning. The springers used for broodstock in the Umpqua system are netted using soft nets and are never handled by hand until spawning time. Many die in the holding ponds despite these precautions. If you have to handle a native wear some wet cotton or wool gloves.
Sure was a dandy fish.
Out

[Deleted User]

Incredible feeesh! Cant wait for the Fall Hawgs at Tillamook :grin:

Fool :cool:

[CATCH AND EAT]

O'l Terry has the touch. What a pig fish!!!!! :cool:

Fishin Eddie, you could learn a thing or two from that man. Once again Rod puts his buddies on a fish. Once again Rod is empty handed :tongue: :wink: That was on 20lb test too right?

FM-0 at least this fish has his original head in tact. :grin:

[GutZ]

SWEET!

[Nanook]

Nice fish. FM - let's burn our PCs ok? LOL. :grin:

[24 on/ 48 off]

Hat is off to that!

--spud-- :smile:

[David Johnson]

It does look like that fish could have been handled better. Taking it to shore would have been better, and in the spot it was caught a shore picture and release would have been possible.

Awesome fish though, you should have a mount done. Could be one of the largest ever caught from the Clack.

[FishinMission]

Bernie...I aint "bashing" Terry...heck I don't even know the guy.

But I can usually "call" a fish's weight within a pound or two just by seeing it, although in this instance I don't have Terry's height, and weight to scale him and the fish together.

Seen lots of 40+ pound fish, and like I said...it looks to be in the "close to 40 range".

And besides that...I still said it was a nice fish!!

Don't worry...I'l be fishin' in about a week!!

Mark

[fishin62]

Nice job!thoses are few and far between.

[Mike H]

Cheer up guys! You still have a chance to get a pic with this very same fish! Just get out to the lower Clack or Willamette ASAP and look for if floating A.S.S up! Put a net under is and hope the rot hasn't set in yet.

[ZACKYDAD]

Very nice looking fish Terry,However,I find it real upsetting that some of our fellow ifishers are completely jealous. It's a sad day when we can't even post what may be one of the happier days in our fishing lives, only to be criticized by our peers. Be proud of your catch Terry. It's very promising to see that fish caught in my backyard. :whazzup:

[SandySteel]

Zackydad, it is easy to confuse jealousy with legitimate concern for a poorly handled fish. If this is the kind of handling that folks are performing on nates then I can understand when ODFW restricts the catch rate on fish. Plain and simple it was poorly handled in my humble opinion. I am not going to hold back on that opinion just because an ifish "brutha" hooked and landed a big fish. If you didn't think you would take some heat for posting a picture like this all I can say is you made a mistake FM2. Keep in mind I don't want to bust your chops too hard here. I would rather folks be educated about handling nates than to just **** people off.
I never take a nate out of the water when in a boat. I just get out the pliers, hit the hooks and say thank you Mr. Chinook. (if they are exhausted I will grab them by the tail before removing the hooks and then revive them.) If I am on the shore I bring them up close, control them with gloves, one around the tail and the other I remove the hook with pliers. Then I might have an opportunity to do a "muscle" shot with a nice fish that is temporarily lifted out of the water under the belly and not in the gill plates.
I can just imagine what this scene looked like. (this is just one possible scenario and I may be wrong) Fish played, then netted, removing slime coating and scales, put in the bottom of the boat, fish flops removing more slime coating, hook finally removed, fish grabbed by the gill plate and held againt the body, fish is getting more stressed and more slime comes off. Finally, fish isput back in the water and revived by the angler.

[HOGTIDE]

Nice post Eric. A good explanation of fish handling and release technique. A little diplomacy goes a long way in getting a point across.

...and on the other topic, NICE HOG TERRY!!!!

[fishbait]

Very nice fish. But when compared to the 40 lb springer in this thread, I question the weight calculation. But a darn nice fish just the same. And please, there is no relation to the subject of the article, just look at this picture next to the one above.
http://www.wa.gov/wdfw/do/newreal/jun1002a.htm

[CATCH AND EAT]

Guess we'll just have to hang it on a scale next time. :rolleyes: just kidding. Appriciate all the imput folks. Just share the joy and stuff the rest of it. :cheers:

There are lots of could of would of senerios out there. Glad to hear you are all so perfect including you Mr. Johnson (jk). :grin: Fact is it happened the way it did and that's that. I am sure next time Terry will be a little more cautious about how he has his picture taken with a fish. :hoboy: Always critics out there that can do it better. Just lay off and put a cork in it.

Fishin Mission, glad to hear you will be getting back to the fishing. Hope your project come out well. You know I am just jousting with ya a little. I am hitting the family vacation trail this week so no fishing for me. graemlins/1zhelp.gif

[chromer]

Wild fish to be released should not be removed from the water. Period. It's in the regs.

Add to that the extended time out of the water here, obvious slime loss and questionable handling methods and you probably would have been doing the fish a favor by giving it a wood shampoo. Keep in mind Springers don't spawn for several months after entering fresh water (unlike Fall salmon and winter steelhead) and with warm summer water temperatures fungus will likely kill this fish before it gets a chance to spawn.

Face it - you guys probably sealed the fate of this fish. And for what? A memory? Or an ego picture? Clearly, it was a memory without posting a picture on the web.

I'm sure at this point, at a minimum, you regret posting the picture. Hopefully, you also regret doing more than just gently removing the hook, watching a magnificent fish swim away unharmed and thanking God for the opportunity to enjoy such an experience.

Sorry, have to call them as I see them.

[ 06-23-2002, 02:43 PM: Message edited by: chromer ]

[FM2]

It's really sad to hear all the criticism regarding a person catching a fish of a lifetime. Damned of you do and Damned if you don't post a picture. I didn't say a word in my orginial post about the fish as I knew others would respond with their "elitist" attitudes.

I didn't realize there are so many people that was with Terry when he caught this fish!! :rolleyes: My understanding was there were only 3 people who witnessed this event. And I find it truly amazing that so many people know and have judeged this man. :rolleyes: Terry can outfish most people on this board, is an avid fisherman and hunter and would be the last person that would injure or harm any wildlife for any reason.

Terry doesn't post on this site and was thinking about registering but maybe he won't which will be a loss for many as he would be willing to share alot of great information. I said to him when he gave me the picture that you probably will take some heat for this but he didn't seemed worried since he was there and handled a 49# fish as well as he could and the fish was released uninjured.

Lighten up people, when you catch the fish of a lifetime I bet you hope you have a camera :grin:

[FishinMission]

Blah Blah Blah....Fact remains...most of us here that catch alot of fish, knowing that this was a native fish, woulda left it in the water to ensure it's safety.

Blast me if you want...I think a better picture woulda been someone removing the hooks while the fish was still in the water.

Mark

[Mofish]

Could This have been a 6 year old fish? Yes

Could it have been a hatchery fish before they started clipping? I would guess yes.

I would find it hard to believe that this truely was a 100% native.

Anyway I know Terry and I know that it's out there swimming around for one of you guys that have just a little Jealousy in your blood to catch.

So get up there guys!!! :rolleyes:

[Mofish]

One more thing to add!

Why do we fish for over size sturgen, when we know that we have to released?

Don't you think that hard on a Fish? I would when your draging them around for 1/2-1 hrs.

:whazzup:

[David Johnson]

I'm happy for Terry and not jelous in any way. I just met Terry this spring and he's a great guy. I just wanted to point out that if possible there is a better way to take care of a fish.

I've been guilty myself of netting a few fish and putting them in the boat for either safety sake of the passengers and boat or because of a mistake in seeing the addipose fin, but those fish were promply put back into the water.

As some have explained there are good and there are bad ways to handle a fish that is to be released and I would hope to promote the good way.....

[NWaddict]

C&E, FM2-

i dont hardly ever post on this board but this one is too tempting. I commend sandysteel for his post and agree with him wholeheartedly. That fish was handled incorrectly, plain and simple.

I fish 80-100 days a year and i have seen a lot of poor releases of wild fish but to be honest, i have never seen anyone grab a fish by the gills to take a picture. A lot of people have been very gracious in their criticism of this situation and i think you two are really failing to see the point. If you cant fully admit that the fish was blatantly mishandled you really shouldn't be on the water when native fish are present. That is a bold statement but i stand by it. If i saw you handle that fish that way i would not hesitate to stop and tell you how i felt about it and if their was a game cop in the area i would report you... plain and simple.

Without a doubt, it is people that handle fish like that who threaten our fisheries from remaining open.

A good fishermen goes the extra mile, he makes sure his eggs are blood free, plugs are tuned, reels full of line, etc.... The same goes for handling fish, YOU SHOULD DO EVERYTHING YOU CAN TO ENSURE THE SURVIVAL OF NATIVE FISH. A fish of that size is rare, terry made the chances of anyone duplicating that catch in the future just that much bleaker.

[Kinebra]

KILL-EM ALL!!!

[FM2]

Geez, all I did was post a picture. I wasn't even there and yet people want to persecute me.....BLAH...BLAH...BLAH... as one person said :grin:

Unless you were there why would a bleak scenerio be made up in the mind and then believed. Reminds me of my ex air head wife. It amazes me how people with the look of a picture can make a complete determination of EVERY detail of the event...... :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Looks like there will be a few not coming to the Anglers chapel BBQ :smile:

[corrirod]

I guess it could be a 49 pounder.......assuming Terry is 7'10" tall and weighs 360 lbs. :rolleyes:

Bottom line is that it was a nice fish, just handle it better next time.

Nobody's perfect, but we still have to try.

If you don't feel like trying then take up a new hobby. I hear worm farms are a lot of fun. :wink:

[Salmonator]

nwaddict, very good reply. Anybody calling this critisism jealousy has got their head in the sand. So you expect an entire thread praising the fisherman without some flack about all that slime on his jacket and fingers in the gills? That would be a sad day.

[omnivore]

FM2 & Catch and Eat:

People are not trying to persecute you for posting the picture. I'm happy to see pictures of nice fish, and I'm sure others are too.

The criticisms are for the improper handling of the native fish and your incorrigible attitude and refusal to accept several members' chivalrous comments. You two are so defensive and arrogant, it's apparently too difficult to see why some people are offended by how the fish was treated.

[finner]

That's a sweet fish! However, 49 pounds my a$$. And it was handled like a couple of rookies with there first salmon. Once you see an adipose, I don't care how big you thought it was, you just should have grabbed the pliers and said "see ya"....

Fish Responsibly...

[Bait O' Eggs]

I go to this thread and find the formula for calculating the weight.

ifish thread (http://www.ifish.net/cgi-local/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=20;t=004149)

basically the formula is length * girth (squared) divided by 800

I run the 51 inch length and 27 inch girth and come up with 46.5 pounds. Not a big difference from the 49 stated.

I look at the photo of the fish and like many here have a hard time believing the fish weighs that much. But it is a difficult angle on the fish to judge weight. A very nice fish none the less.

If Brad Pitts in the movie "a river runs thru it" can hold up a fish by the gills for a photo and then put a statement on the end of the show that says no fish were harmed in the filming of this movie, I guess anybody can make that statement. :wink:

[ 06-24-2002, 08:20 AM: Message edited by: Bait O' Eggs ]

[4Salt]

"Fish of a lifetime?" maybe, but what if all of us here caught our "fish of a lifetime" this year, and handled it in the manner displayed in the picture. IMHO there wouldn't be too many "fish of a lifetime" for any of us to catch in the near future. :hoboy:

p.s. again IMHO, that fish is mid to high thirties at best.

[MP]

I will NEVER consider posting a picture of any fish I catch on this board.

Have you people ever heard of constructive criticizem? Well, some of the posts in this thread are constructive but a couple of them are downright pathetic. I am sure that everyone has done something in the heat of the moment when looked back on is obviously a big mistake. How did you feel when it was so rudely brought to your attention over and over again?

Come one people; don’t kick a guy when he is down.

:cheers:

MP

[parker]

Me neither! Nope, never gonna post another pic to this board! Espeically a fish with an adipose fin...or me grabbing it under the gills! :wink:

http://staff.washington.edu/parker/pics/fish103.jpg

Oh wait, this one doesn't count.... :wink:

[ 06-24-2002, 04:04 PM: Message edited by: parker ]

[corrirod]

Wow, nice 45 pounder there Parker! :rolleyes:

And why did you paint the red stripe on that fish? :wink:

[parker]

I don't know what you are talking about, corrirod? :wink: This 49 pound CLIPPED fish was released back to the river unharmed! :wink:

http://snappy.fish.washington.edu/pics/taketwo.jpg

PS. No native or wild fish where harmed in the bonking of this springer! Really!

[ 06-25-2002, 01:49 PM: Message edited by: parker ]

[Ramstrong]

Not bad use of the clone tool parker. Oh and for reference here's a 55# fish
http://www.pvisuals.com/fishing/fish_tales/story1/image3.jpg

I guess it's all about those five extra pounds. :wink:

[ 06-25-2002, 02:10 PM: Message edited by: Ramstrong ]

[corrirod]

And Parker you weren't really holding the fish by the gills you were just making him levitate, right? :grin: