Good Dogs.....

[anniek66]

Just a comment to thank all of you that take the time to train your dog to behave and have good manners in public. Too many times I have fished and had tyrant dogs come up and jump up, snatch food or mount my dog. Went fishing last weekend and had some doeballs dog come up to my fish and start licking it!!!! The owners were no where around. I hollared at it but it just stared at me. Threw a rock and it left. i don't want to feel responsible for someones dog gettin salmonella. (FYI) dogs can be continuously reinfected by salmonella, they do not get immunities after the first infection. Anyways, back to the point, I had the opportunity to meet Crabbait in person a couple of weeks ago :rolleyes: , (nice guy) and his dog was so well mannered. What a good dog. The dog actually had reverse. Funniest thing I ever saw. These opinions expressed are purely the writers and do not reflect the community as a whole. :tongue: Kudos to you Steve and others out there that take the time to train the dog. PS....the moral of the story is...if your dog is not behaved or sedated, leave him at home. graemlins/idea.gif

[Hawgwash]

anniek66,

100% agree with you. Nothing worse than a poorly behaved dog, child, spouse, in-law or worse-yet, fishing partner!!

My 4-year-old golden retriever is calm and well mannered, unlike her owner :wink:

[ 06-10-2002, 03:18 PM: Message edited by: Hawgwash ]

[k9jeff]

YES!!!!!! TRAIN THE ******* DOG!!!!!!!!!
Its simple and just takes a little time.
I observed a guy on the bank running his dog off lead at OC. The dog target locked on some geese and out into the water he went. He swam almost all the way across the river and back. there was a nice man who cut loose from his anchor and chased the ******* thing. The guy who owned the dog just kept calling it without results.
The words come, no, sit, down, and stay are absolutes and must be followed quickly and without hesitation by the dog. If your dog does not do these things, leave it at home and train him to do it, then take it out. If you dont know how to train it, learn. If you must take the dog out with you, leave it on a leash!!!!!!! :mad:

This subject hit a nerve,, thanks for letting me vent. :grin:

Jeff
no, I dont hate dogs.. I have three polite, well trained dogs, two irish setters and one German Shepherd.

[Bait O' Eggs]

I have a Jack Russell Terrier. I gave up a long time ago on training this dog. Its the wifes dog and they both listen to me the same amount. :depressed:

Niether of them understand NO! :depressed:

Neither of them STAY when I tell them to! :depressed:

Neither of them will SIT for me. :depressed:

Neither of them JUMP when I give the command. :depressed:

:wink:

[Hawgwash]

Might be time to consider it for oversize bait.....I mean the terrier of course!

:hoboy:

[crabbait]

Annie - Thanks for the compliment. Nick and I are both blushing. There is really nothing to dog training. All you have to do is find a dog that is smart enough to teach you to command him to do exactly what he was going to do anyway, just before he is going to do it!

Start with the best puppy you can find. Train consistently with love.

Nick is still looking for a classy blonde mate. Must have certified hips (his are OFA excellent). No money involved just want his progeny as he is an asset to the labrador line.

It was nice meeting you, Annie. We'll have to get together for fall hogs.

[boater]

i am trying to train my sheltie not to jump and lick people and its comming along real slow, also trying to train him not to bark at everything, oh ya, i used to have 2 tennis shoes and i`m sure he didnt know the screen on the sliding door was closed until he went thru it and if only i would have known he got car sick :rolleyes: , i had my new truck for 2 weeks and it smelled new before he puked all over the back seat :depressed:

[Firedog]

I have an 11 year old Chocolate lab female and she very rarely gets to go fishing anymore. Because being a lab she feels she needs to be in the water 110% of the time and if she isnt she wines. Final straw was aobut 8 years ago while I was fighting a Steelhead she was swimming along side it. Kind of funny to look back on. But not so at the time. So she stays home on fishing trips. She gets to go when I am not going to fish and she is very well behaved. 90% of the time I have her in my truck with me as long as it isnt to warm out and she is going to be left insdie for a bit. she is a typical lab loves people but also trained well enough to listen. responds even better to Cuss words :smile:

She used to a jumper but when they come at you and you put your knee into their chest a couple times it cures that whole jumping thing real quick.

[ 06-11-2002, 10:15 PM: Message edited by: firedog ]

[Steelie Ben]

My girlfreind has a 9 month old Yellow lab puppy that she is trying to train. We have taken him to the river a couple of times now and he is just starting to love the water. The problem is he just doesn't want to stay when he is off leash, he won't go far but he is very stubborn. Any of you dog experts out there have any Ideas that could help us out? Thanks, I really want to have a well behaved fishing buddy.
Ben

[crabbait]

Use a "check cord". It consists of a piece of cheap yellow polyrope anywhere from 20-50' long. Tie a clip on one end and nothing, not even a knot, on the other.

Let the pup drag the cord around. When calling the dog, make sure that the cord is within reach, then reel the dog in while praising.

If the problem is the "stay" command, use a rug and place the dog on the rug (inside or out). Command "stay". As soon as the dog leaves the rug go to the dog and take it back to the rug and reposition on the rug.

This is a much shortened lesson. Dogs have a very highly developed sense of "place". The rug defines the exact spot you want the dog to stay "at".

You really need a good book to get a sense of the whole lesson. Or several books as they all teach different methods and all are effective if consistently used.

Short consistent lessons are the key with lots of praise.

Good luck.

[k9jeff]

Check out an eletronic collar. These are gods gift to the pain in the behind dog. Watch the video included in the package and use it consistantly!!!!!! use it while playing, use it while walking etc,,,,,,, I have a 90lb shepherd I use for work and use this unit on him all the time. He does not know where the corrections come from and he likes to do things a little faster when I use it on him. The dog is hardly ever on lead and now that I have had the collar on him. it is not a harsh tool!!!!!
If you have any other questions, e mail me about it.

jeff

[RiverGal]

This is a topic that definitley hits close to home. I personly have 2 dogs, an 8yr old german shepard(very well behaved), and a black lab stud who will be 2 in July. My lab well he um......he means well. He is very well behaved when it comes to the home front and when we take him places, the only thing that gets him going are other dogs. And since he is a stud I know to keep him on a leash if we are in any place where there is the slightest chance of any other dogs being around....I mean DUH, you don't have to be a genius to figure that out. He won't pick a fight but he likes to play rough, so to avoid the chance of him hurting another dog, he is always kept under control. He would never dare to lick a persons fresh catch :tongue: he knows thats a sin in our household.

And to those of you who have dogs that like to run up to people and lick and jump as you are running behind them screaming...."It's ok he/she just likes people, he/she won't hurt you", news flash......not everyone likes dogs. And those of us who do don't neccesarily want to be licked or jumped on.

If you are a pet owner, be a resposible one :wink:

[AngleThis]

I can't believe the popularity of this topic, so I'll put my two cents in.

As it happens, I have a 3 year old australian shepard named Titan. I never take the boat out of the back yard without him. Adrianna is even equiped with a properly fitted canine PFD. Over the last three years, he has shared my vessel, my camp sites, and my voyages.

I like to think I have him well trained. He will come, sit, laydown, shake hands, and stay, with hand or voice commands. But, give a young male unaltered stud dog some freedom, and he will be a dog. He will gladly join the mutual butt sniffing admiration society with other dogs, as well as female humans. He won't bite anyone, or attack any other dogs, and he will take to the water to pull a small child from breaking waves. But he will de-hand anyone who puts theirs in my boat when he is "in charge" (I'm away), and he will protect any other animal under attack from another...It's a herding dog thing.

I hope people will appreciate a dog for what a dog is, and not expect human type manners.

[ 06-12-2002, 12:59 AM: Message edited by: ********* ]

[Jennie@ifish]

Some people have well trained dogs, some people don't.
But I bet they all love them with all of their hearts.
For me, if a dog comes running up to greet me, I greet it back, give it a love and send him along.
I'd never think of throwing a rock at a happy dog. To punish a dog for it's owners lack of training seems unthinkable to me.
Now... if the dog is going to bite... That is another story....
I do, however, agree that if you TRULY love your dog, you will train it to save it's life.
"Come", at a time when your dog's life is in danger will ensure you have a dog later!
We all know this, right?
Having an 8 month old puppy humbles me, when I see that I have not trained it well enough to save it's life, but I'm working on it!!!
Jen

[ 06-12-2002, 06:37 AM: Message edited by: Jennie@ifish ]

[anniek66]

Wow
What a response!! I was just trying to vent. It seems others may feel the same way. I am glad everyone can state their feelings on the subject. I have a suggestion for "Boater", try the "Promise" Halter training system. It will be available at your Vet and works excellent for the types of behavior problems you are trying to correct. It is completely humane and needs no batteries, just consistant training from all members of the household. It should run you around $30 bucks. Money well spent if you ask me. A good Vet will instruct you on proper fitting and a basic demo. If you Vet doesn't do this, find one that will. You won't be dissappointed.

Thanks all!
Fish On

[Flatfish]

We are on our first lab. His faults are my fault.I had much more to learn in training than he did.
See you on the rivers.
Mark.

[boater]

aniie, i was just looking at the collar you are talking about and it looks like somthing i am going to buy, thanks. here is a link for anyone else that wants one (http://bargraph.com/gentleleader/frames.html)

[Thumper]

I love those electric collars! My little Jack Russell Terrier is learning because of hers. By the way, she is black and white with a brown ring around the neck.

[k9jeff]

The eletronic one I have is a tri-tronics. It has 15 diff. settings ( five with a low, med and high for each one). #1 is a slight tickle, much like holding a 9volt batt on you tongue, and the #15 is quite high. I never have to go above 2 for anything, and use a #1 for everyday use. I love it, but you must follow the instructions and use it with great judgment and consistancy for it to be effective.

The one thing I see people doing that is totaly wrong (besides thinking the dog has human traits and feelings) is observing the dog doing something wrong, and calling the dog to come then punishing, or giving the dog a correction. You know,, " you rotton dog, come here" then when the dog comes, they hit , kick or yell at the dog. The dog thinks it is being punished for coming to the owner. This makes the dog not want to respond to come, or here because of the fear of punishment.

Crab bait had a great idea with the check line and I have used it also.

my dog is a four year old shepherd who was imported form germany. He has a sch1 title and several other certifications. He is a great dog, BUT HE IS A DOG! they are not bright animals, but with good CONSISTANT training, attention and care you should be able to train any dog to respond to your commands.

I enjoy working with dogs almost as much as I like setting the hook.......

Jeff :grin:

[crabbait]

I also have a tri-tronics collar and have used it for several years. In the right hands and with proper training it is an awesome tool.

In the wrong hands or for someone who does not know how to condition a dog to e-collars and determine the dogs threshold they are a torture device. Nothing can ruin a dog faster than a mis-used collar.

The vast majority of training can be accomplished easily with simple techniques applied consistently. I did not need to use a collar on Nicky until we were training for blind retrieves at long distance. He was over two at the time and our bond was well established.

If you need to use a collar I suggest that you also purchase the tri-tronics book by Dobbs and understand the collar fully before attempting to use it.

When i began to work with the collar i first tested all setting on myself before it went on Nick and I hired a pro to teach me how to use it humanely and effectively.

k9 - I know you are using the collar in the correct manner. This post is for people who are contemplating a collar and who might see it as an easy cure-all. I find positive reinforcement to be all that is necessary for most dogs in most situations. Professional working dogs are another story.

[ 06-13-2002, 02:12 AM: Message edited by: crabbait ]

[brshooter]

My wife and I are huge fans fo the "Gentle Leader" collars. We have a 7 month old boxer who sometimes likes to challenge you with her attitude. She has taken puppy kindergarten and knows commands like come, sit, settle, stay, wait, and leave it. She does pretty good until around distractions like other dogs. We just have to keep working on it. There are times when she insists like acting like a 7 month old puppy though. She can be acting like the devil one minute, put the gentle leader on, and it causes an instant attitude adjustment. Usually, she will just go lay down. These collars are not a muzzle, she can still fetch, eat and drink with this collar on. They just remind the dog of who the boss is.