PETA supports terrorism.

[finclipped]

http://www.kgw.com/kgwnews/terrornorthwest_story.html?StoryID=37973

[AngleThis]

Hey guy, that is all very interesting, but is ifish really the place for politics? There a lots of worthy issues and appropriate forums for them, but with the sole exception of 100% everyone can agree on type topics (like Bil Laden's head on a stick), it seems to me that ifish is a place for happy thoughts and good clean fun (fish slime and blood not withstanding).

Do you agree Jen?

[Snake9t9]

Um....*********...Do you know what PETA is?
If you are a sportsmen then this would certainly be a political issue that you, and the rest of the Ifish community should be interested in. This is the perfect forum to inform those who need to know about this type of polotics. Ignore them if you like, but I'm not giving up my hunting and fishing without a fight!

[finclipped]

AT, PETA does not want you to fish or hunt... (People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals) They have campaigns against the sport fishing industry and they are supporting some types of terrorism to advance their point. Damn straight its important and you haven't been reading very long if you don't think fish politics are debated around here.

But with this issue I'm preaching to the choir.

PETA does not promote Bin Laden terrorism, they do things like sabotage, vandalism and things of this sort. If you want further clarification visit their website.

[ 03-06-2002, 06:19 AM: Message edited by: finclipped ]

[willametteriveroutlaw]

I know to mention what nuts the peta people are here is like telling little kids they like candy. But just the same, us as sportsmen have power to fight back and make a difference. Look at the jeep add that sportsmen got taken off the air. Its nice to know that people are watching our rights. Maybe Jennie could put a politics forum on here? Things Like TB in oregons elk herds, ethical isssues i.e what would you do. Just a thought. A page where the commercial fishermen info could be put as well. Bajaspecials sturgeon letter could even get posted there. Sorry I try and stop convincing you now. :wink:

[Sliderite]

The targeting of children for their propaganda is what disturbs me the most. A teacher who may believe their viewpoint can request a Peta spokesperson to come in and persuade them that fishing hurts and to say no to fishing. Check this link from Peta and the "Kids Corner"

web page (http://www.************.com/)

[Big Willie]

Peta is terrorism, it just doesn't come from the Middle East. Thanks for the link Fin, and Angle if you don't like it then don't click on it.

[CATCH AND EAT]

People Eating Tasty Animals (PETA). This is not what this dangerous organization is about Angle This. You should do yourself a favor and click on their site. The education you recieve will change your opinion.

This board is exactly the place to discuss these types of group and issues. Be gald that we can do so.

I am continually having to re-educate my children and give them the alternative viewpoint of harvest of animals, trees, resources. I am not a slash and burn type of guy but I do believe that the resources are there to be used.

PETA is even against any type of fishing. Even catch and release. They believe that fish a sentient beings. :rolleyes:

So politics do belong here. Ya just have to agree to disagree. graemlins/icon_argue.gif

[SailCat]

PETA counts hits on their website by anyone as proof that they have a great deal of support. Anyone visiting their website is therefore doing their little bit to support PETA.

There's nothing there that I need to see and I certainly don't want to be counted as a statistic to support these extremists.

~MT
The Guide's Forecast (http://www,theguidesforecast.com)

[OR Coast Range]

Back on topic, this article is fear mongering plain and simple. Don't get me wrong, I am not a PETA appologist; in fact I don't agree with just about every stance that they take and the method that they use to spread their message.

But would this have even been news before 9-11? It would have just been some nutcase ranting about a bunch of other nutcases. But now we shut down airports when scissors are found in garbage cans in the bathroom. We get to here all of the horror stories that the news media passes off as news these days.

OK. Sorry for the rant. I just hate to see people use the tragic events that happened on 9-11 to push their own ajendas.

[Phish_on]

"I just hate to see people use the tragic events that happened on 9-11 to push their own ajendas" - - I guess you are referring to Bushy and his oily cohorts about to cash in on the Alaska National Wildlife Reserve ? ?

Even a tree-hugger such as I find PETA to be "way out." But I hope it doesn't come down to every activist, every protestor being labelled a "terrorist." I'm personally not into destructive protests, but sometimes it takes a lot of shoving to get someone's attention, know what I mean?

"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants." - Thomas Jefferson

[Mr.Kitch'nPass]

Maybe we could get rid of these guys to :grin: http://www.animal-lib.org.au/lists/fish.shtml

[Bryan]

Well, I am not sure what you point about this is, "Sorry for the rant. I just hate to see people use the tragic events that happened on 9-11 to push their own agendas" but I can assure you that everyone of us believes that this was terrorist activity before 9-11. I think that we sportsmen and sportswomen are bold enough to call a spade, a spade. Hell, it had a name before 9-11, eco-TERRORISM.

I believe it is absolutely proper to use 9-11 to call attention to people's behavior that promote fear and destruction. I am a right-wing, anti pro-choice, NRA member, fundamental Bible Christian BUT does that make killing abortion doctors wrong? YES, that is a form of terrorism as well. ANY form of terrorism is wrong. From the PETA people to the other extreme of killing abortion doctors I hope that the events of 9-11 will empower people to boldly call terrorism what is, "cowards who blindly follow fringe extremist ideas using unreasonable methods to justify unreasonable ends."

There is a little thing called truth. It provides the basis for right and wrong. We as a society have grown up believing there is no "Truth" and that truth is only what we perceive to be. Well that philosophy was brought down as the Twin Towers fell on 9-11. Today we as a society MUST define the differences between right and wrong, good and evil, and finally moral and immoral. We as a society MUST speak out against wrong, evil and immoral ideas and their actions! PETA is wrong, evil and immoral! Christians in the name of God Almighty, killing abortion doctors is wrong, evil and immoral! Just as flying four planes into buildings for religious and political ideas is wrong, evil and immoral! If one of us suffers the tyranny of terrorism than we as a people must right that wrong and be willing to fight against the agents of evil.

We as a society must be willing to take a stand against these radical ideas. Where does this battle start? It starts at home with our children. It starts on bulletin boards on the Internet. It starts in conversations between friends. Any place where ideas are exchanged freely is the front lines of this battle. Any place where these radical ideas find a foothold we must as a society shout them down and boldly give voice to what we believe as a people.

Anyway I could go on, but I am sure you get my point.
Thanks bryan

[OR Coast Range]

When I say that I hate to see people use 9-11 to their advantage that's exactly what I mean. It sickens me to see popcorn branded as Patriotic with American flags painted all over the box so that some suit somewhere can sell more boxes. It pizzes me off to see car commercials with some greesy salesman standing in front of the American flag to sell more cars. Some people will do anything to make a buck, and that's just not right. Show some class and respect the families of the victims.

we as a society MUST define the differences between right and wrong, good and evil, and finally moral and immoral. <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">This is a scary thought. Some things are obvious from a moral standpoint. Thou shall not kill. Duh? That's the easy low hanging fruit. But not everything is so obvious. You want to tell me what my morals should be? OK, lets make a society of drones where everyone thinks the same. Sounds pretty boring to me.

Like I said in my previous post, I do not agree with the viewpoints PETA. In fact I find them kind of amusing. These people must have had pretty messed up childhoods to be able to dedicate themselfs to eliminating the suffering of organisms that don't have the brainpower to know that they are sufferering in the first place.

[fishbane]

Hi all,
PETA themself is not a terrorist group. They do how ever give money to groups Like ELF Earth liberation front and ALF Animal leberation front.
These are the terorist groups. These people should be stopped not only do they commit acts of sabotage but they release test animals into the enviorment. They say they are freeing them. I hope these animals are not spreading some freaky dna into our ecosystem.

If Peta comes to a school then the parents should have northwest steelheaders should come in and talk at the school too. They could discuss selective catch and release.

We do need to keep in mind free speach is a right that we all have. We certainly don't have to agree with what they say but they have a right to say it :smile:

[TundraIII]

Hey fishbane, if PETA supports terrorism, then they definately ARE terrorists! If Joe idiot hires a hitman to kill someone, he's just as guilty as the man who pulls the trigger.
Just because they dont get their hands dirty doesnt mean they're innocent.

[Cool Texan]

People Eating Tasty Animals...that's funny. Thanks for the laugh C&E! :grin:

[garyk]

Fishbane, thought your might also enjoy hearing something covered in the UK press (London Times and others) but ignored by the US press.

Several years ago the top Taliban officials (yes, the same ones we're now sworn to kill) were honored guests of key national and Texas republicans. They were shown full honors, wined and dined, as the oilman sought to negociate pipeline rights in Afganistan.

Talk about aiding & abetting.

[fishbane]

There is some speculation that the VP doesn't want release those papers on the energy meeting because the Afghani pipe line was a subject in those meetings. Also Some people think Our goverment intentionaly over looked early information on the trade center attacks so we could go in and control the pipeline and oil supply. I certainly hope that is not true. But I sure wouldn't put it past oilmen.

[Artwo]

Amen Tundra......

[CATCH AND EAT]

Agreed Tundra III PETA=terrorism. That is a fact.

BTW, not to insult tree huggers, If that is what you want to to then do it. Just don't ask me to join you. That is just not what I believe in. Qualifing that, I hate clear cutting and the scars that it leaves. Selective logging, fishing, hunting, mining and so on, I have no problem with.

Irrational thinking, I have a problem with that.

[fishbane]

I never said they were inocent. and by your logic then all the companies like exxon, coke, GM ,
Our oilman lackey of a president that allowed a private saudi jet to pick up all the bin Ladens relatives in the Our country before the FBI could talk to them about Osama. This plane flew on Sept 12th, During the no fly time, are all guilty of being terrorists. :mad: Oh and by the way the Bin laden family finaced the first oil company GW bush had so who is the real traitor to our country. Everytime you fill up the gas tank you are funding arab terorism!!!!

For they all have given money to what could be known as a terrorist group by todays standards of the word.
:grin:
but enough of politics back to fishing