Electric motor above Sollie Smith?

[Wet_Willy]

The State marine board allows it but I don't know if I've ever seen a drift boat with an electric motor on the back of it...Anybody seen this? I've seen a lot of guides using them on the S. Oregon rivers backtrolling. I know below the bridge motors are common.

WW

[Wet_Willy]

Rusty,
Don't take this the wrong way, I respect your answer and I'm not looking to run an electric but why are you opposed to it? I know the bad feeling about jet boats on the lower river of the Wilson and Siletz and some other rivers or outboards in general. I tend to follow closely to the accepted rule on whatever river I'm fishing. Some S. Oregon rivers the rule is an o/b on the back of a drift boat w/ a protective cage and if you aren't doing it, you are at a severe disadvantage. Only disadvantage I see with the electric is that the rower is less tired than the guy without one. I know I still row up and hit areas more than once and don't really need a motor to do that.

Once again, I'm not arguing with you. In 30 years of fishing the river you've no doubt had to put up with a lot of crummy changes to the rivers. I just like to understand where the sentiment stems so I don't tick people off.

Thanks for the reply Rusty.

WW

[Grant Scheele]

Rusty, I also don't want to offend you but the Amerman family has been running the Wilson with motors before even you fished there. Gary ran a gas motor close to 40 years ago on all of the Tillamook streams back when he was by himself most of the time. Polite people are polite with or without motors and the same can be said of rude dudes.

[Rusty]

WW

It is true that the State Marine Board allows electric motors above Sollie Smith Bridge, however I am very opposed to the "concept". The is one guide who is using a electric motor now in the Wilson. I believe his name is Scott Ammerman. While I am sure he is a great fisherman and guide, I do not believe he should be using a motor, any motor, on this or any other coastal stream. There are many of us old timers, 30 years + boating the Wilson, who have had to live with the explosion of drift boats. Why allow electric motors to the already overpopulated river? I know that all my friends are opposed to this new trend.

Rusty

Originally posted by Wet_Willy:
The State marine board allows it but I don't know if I've ever seen a drift boat with an electric motor on the back of it...Anybody seen this? I've seen a lot of guides using them on the S. Oregon rivers backtrolling. I know below the bridge motors are common.

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[ 02-15-2002, 12:34 PM: Message edited by: Rusty ]

[Rusty]

Originally posted by Rusty:
WW

It is true that the State Marine Board allows electric motors above Sollie Smith Bridge, however I am very opposed to the "concept". The is one guide who is using a electric motor now in the Wilson. I believe his name is Scott Ammerman. While I am sure he is a great fisherman and guide, I do not believe he should be using a motor, any motor, on this or any other coastal stream. There are many of us old timers, 30 years + boating the Wilson, who have had to live with the explosion of drift boats. Why allow electric motors to the already overpopulated river? I know that all my friends are opposed to this new trend.

Rusty

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The State marine board allows it but I don't know if I've ever seen a drift boat with an electric motor on the back of it...Anybody seen this? I've seen a lot of guides using them on the S. Oregon rivers backtrolling. I know below the bridge motors are common.

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[hustlerrjim]

I spent a lot of time getting rid of artificial propulsion on the coastal rivers,unfortunatly the tillamook guides association sided in with a coupla local guides and allowed electric motors,at the last hearing in tillamook.
maybe it's time to petition the marine board for a hearing on this subject I would be happy to lead the charge,we do not need artificial propulsion on any of our rivers,

[STGRule]

Just a question Jim. Why? What is the problem(s) with artificial propulsion? I understand gas motors (pollution, noise), but electrics? Could you please explain?
PS We use an oar-powered driftboat unless we are in the Willamette or Columbia.

[ 02-17-2002, 04:05 PM: Message edited by: STGRule ]

[Fishin Magician]

I see no problem with them. I have an electric motor on my boat. No pollution, No noise,No river bed damage, No Problem. I agree with O.Mykiss "Polite people are polite with or without motors"
John

[Tilla]

I use an electric motor on my driftboat, sometimes at the mouth of Deschutes, Trask tidewater, Lewis R meathole, lake troutfishing. Never saw anyone offended by it, never meant to offend anyone. It is actually not that great for backtrolling, kinda loosey goosey, the driftboat wasn't meant to be used for that. The idea to ban them sound just like another rule for the them vs us types. You not gonna make every one happy.

[fishbait]

To quote "artificial propulsion on the coastal rivers", so therefor oars are a form of natural propulsion? or do you just float down the river without any form of "propulsion".

It absolutely makes no difference to me either way, but me thinks this is another example of the have's trying to keep out the have nots.........

[Thumper]

For you folks that are opposed to electrics, please tell us why. There must be some reason.

[Chris Sessions]

Electric motors are clean and quiet. Maybe some people have a problem with the guide being able to fish more effectively and backbounce instead of being limited to a diver or plug when having to row??
C

[hustlerrjim]

electric motors now have enough thrust to take your boat down the river and jump all the holes ahead of any body else
stgrule--whats the diff between a 110 lb.thrust electric and a 4 hp. gas??? if they are used to gain an advantage with total disregard for others,its time they go,
If you were around in the early 80s we had jet sleds running up and down all the rivers,i got them off the nehalem systems, ,guess what????? 3 yrs. later the marine board adopted the same policys on most all coastal rivers.
do you enjoy this???????

[Lund]

jim has a good point, lets ban all drift boats/rafts, cause they give a guy an unfair advantage over bank fishermen. while we are at it, lets just outlaw bait, cuase it's too effective. boy how would those two things eliminated would sure level the playing field. ya right.

if you don't enjoy the competition maybe you need to step it up a bit.when has it been fair to punnish a guy who has worked hard to become an elite fisherman.if you can't keep up you need to stay on the porch with the pup's.

[Fishen Fool]

How about this, your just getting ready to drop into the next hole as the boat in front of you is just about done, but no, lo and behold he takes his electric motor and runs back to the head of the hole. Therefore blocking it off to you. There were about 10 guides on the Sieltz today, every one of them running a electric motor,we'r all going to have to get one just to survive.

[Grant Scheele]

How about this. You get to your favorite hole and some jerk has anchored in it and has it tied up for the next two hours. Not one of those guides, running electrics today on the Siletz anchored in a good hole and cut it off to the rest of the crowd.

With electric motors several boats can fish a run at a time therefore sharing a good hole. Take turns sidedrifting down a hole and everybody gets a chance to fish it, not just the first guy to get to it.

[Rusty]

As the original complainer regarding the use of electric motors on the fragile coastal streams, I find that about 70% of the respondents do not agree with my objection to the use of motors. I do however, want to be sure that the point relating to rude and disrespectful behavior is noted as my main concern, as it is with others.

There are those who will gladly run back up into a hole, completely ignoring the "new" driftboat who has just floated into the hole. Of course we will have the "hero" who will motor back up the river and begin "plugging" right in front of the new boat in the drift. I believe this is the future, it just human nature these days.

I know, I know, not everyone will abuse the use of an electric motor, most Steelheaders are great people! I am just worried about the impact of those who could care less for others and their right to just have a good time and maybe catch a fish.

To you 70%ers, I hope you all are great people, respectful of the resource, and willing to give us oarsmen an equal chance! There, that's my 2 cents worth. You'll will not have to hear from me again. Good fishin'

Rusty

P.S. I also own a sled, raft, and use them all-- in there place!

[Joe Schwab]

It never ceases to amaze me how certain people "make" the rules for everyone else. As long as it is legal what the He// is the problem. Fishermen can be jerks with oars, motors, sails. Jerks will be jerks. I have seen people use electrics very unobtrusively. I have seen people use 250 HP jets unobtrusively. I have also seen people use oars on rafts and drift boats and manage to pi$$ off all the bank anglers and half the boaters in the area. By the way I just bought a high thrust electric for my drift boat. Don't know yet if I will use it above tidewater but if I do it will be because it is "legal" . graemlins/icon_argue.gif graemlins/icon_argue.gif

[Thumper]

It sounds like the main objection that some folks have to electric motors is that it allows the motor-equipped fisherman to behave more competitively. Not sure if that is a reason to outlaw them.

[Gregotis98]

I sure wish I had the power to get more halibut days, can you help here too Jim?

[STGRule]

Rusty, I am not sure if I'm in the 70% or not. You never explained what "concept" you were objecting to. Jim explained that he didn't like them because somebody could "jump holes". If this is truly the only reason it is a weak one. There has to be a better reason than that. There has to be a reasonable reason. I had no idea why someone would object and asked for an idea as to why. I am very open to all reasons. I haven't thought of them all and need to know so I can make an informed decision. I understand pollution, disturbing riverbeds, and noise. I don't understand the only reason to object is somebody might get to a hole before you. I am not attempting to stir any pots. All I am asking for is information.

[OregonBankie]

Wet Willy,
Yes, I have seen motors on the Wilson above Sollie Smith. Specifically, I recall seeing a lone fisherman in a driftboat fishing fall chinook in the Josi farm area with an electric motor. Don't know his name -- though I do remember he was bald.
I check the rules, and electrics are allowed, but not gas.

[Fishin Magician]

Jim- I have a question for you... You are talking about "gaining advantage" & "Total disregard for others". I think you are calling the kettle black on this one. This year I was fishing a run on the NF and you came down over the top of the drift, back rowed over to the other side and dropped anchor directly across from me and a friend. Then you and your clients start throwing bobbers out when we were drift fishing, Then came out the chainsaw, and you cut away overhanging limbs to gain casting room. We didn't say anything, and then after you were done you rowed right over the tailout where there was a guy fly fishing. I call that pretty rude. In a way I suppose you were taking advantage of others and disregarding other people. The way I see it 'you' are opposed to anything that 'you' dont like. Are you representing the majority?????? If people are courteous to each other there are no problems, There is plenty of river to fish......... :cool:
John

[STGRule]

Thanks for the reply. It never occured to me to use a motor for that purpose. :shocked: The electric my husband uses for duck hunting doesn't move the boat fast enough to be of any use for "jumping holes". It's much faster to row. I guess it's not the motor you are as unhappy with as the possibility that a rude person would be rude with one. I guess that is a reason to ban all motors but it seems like a rather extreme way to legislate stupidity. I don't see people doing that and like I said, it never occured to me to use it for that purpose. It's too bad that people with disabilities can't use a viable option because a couple people are rude. :depressed:

And yes I was around in the early eighties, I do like the quiet of no motors on some rivers, I also fish from sleds when that is what I want to do. I also fish from a rubber raft, a drift boat, and prop boats. None of these vessels has any bearing at all on my conduct. Not having any of these vessels also would have no bearing on my conduct. As was stated above, only rude people are rude.

[ 02-18-2002, 02:20 PM: Message edited by: STGRule ]

[Wet_Willy]

Sheesh, I just got back on and see that I opened an unintentional can 'o worms...I was just curious. I find myself in the polite % of fishermen and yes, I did leave my electric at home Saturday. Still managed to be low holed by a guy, also not running a motor but rowing like a bandit. I also managed to land a hatchery hen and two bruiser native bucks regardless. Rude people are rude w/ or w/out motors...I'm overly polite...
WW

[hustlerrjim]

yep willy ,you opened a can of worms, love you for it I will try to ans,some of the questions brought up.1st off to lund --
read fishing fools reply,about the siletz, this is problem developing on all the rivers,and it is a problem,the marine board had hearings lately about the problems on the siletz and the vote was close,next time electric motors will go,gaurenteed.
next you said i can't stand the competition,incidently i have won the fund raiser [salmon tournement]in tillamook-- 1st place 4 times 2nd place 5 times and 3rd place 1 time --yes i love the competition
i think i got off the porch, where were you???
fishing magician?
This has been brought up before,you were standing under a no tresspassing sign we came down the opposite side, after i cut the salmon berry bush and the limb we rowed over to your side instead of down the middle of the hole,on the way over we pulled a line with a spinner on it out of the tree so the bank maggots could fish ,of course you didn't see that.
Bit of a history lesson for you i have for the past 20 years negotiated with the past owners and care takers to keep this section of the river open, [pay to fish], and this is the thanks i get.???don't be suprised if you find this section closed next year,
my youngest son is bidding on this property it would be very easy to close this section and i wouldn't have to worry about offending any body,? right?????
if you would have looked around where you were fishing a lot of overhanging limbs were cut off as it was impossible to fish there before.i wonder who cut them???????
hope to see you all in salem at the marine board hearings.
case closed!!!!!!!!!!

[Gregotis98]

Wow, now that's an ego. Congrats on being the envy all people that fish on the Oregon Coast. It sounds like we all should take heed because not only does Jim set the laws now he might own the river too.

[Lund]

jim,

you are my new hero. i wish i was as good of a fisherman as you. hope someday i could win all those competitions. as for the siletz meetings, i didn't see you there, did i miss you. this as well as all coastal rivers have to allow all user groups to be able to use the system.(ie) prop's, rafts, sleds, drift boats, and even electric motor boats. currently their is 5x as many motorized registered boat owners in oregon than non motorized. the area of square miles open to these motorized boats is about 15% of all usable waters. almost 85% of oregon's rivers are closed to motors. drift boats or rafts are able to use 100% of all oregon waters. so to keep thing on a level playing field, we as motorized fishermen need to stand up and voice our opinions on motorboat closures from now on. It will take a combined effort to make everybody happy when it comes to fishing. segregating a row boat from electric motor boat will only make a temporary fix of something that is a mute issue. if a guy wants to be aggressive and use his elecrtic motor to cover more water, then let him. if you choose not to run an electric motor then don't complain about the guys who do.normally the guy who uses his electric will end up catching more of the fish because he can cover more water in a day.if the guy on oars was doing all the catching, there wouldn't be an issue.

next time their is any proposal expect strong showing from the motorized half of fishermen.

you should enjoy fishing and not always worry about someone beating you to the next hole.

"the grass is always greener or the other side."

[hustlerrjim]

i was going to let this drop but this is to good to pass up
where did the fishing magician find private property to park on?? there is no private property near the $30.00 hole except my sons across the road,all the rest is state.
if you paid stan 40.00$ TO FISH THERE you better have stan arrested for obtainig money under false pretenses cause stan dosn't own the 30 dollar hole the state does, please answer me those two questions.
lund-the reason you didn't see me at the hearings
about the siletz river in salem cause you wern't there -I was ,the vote was 4-3, close???? check the register,

[blast and cast]

Jim, I do not know you from Adam, but I have been a fishing partner and friend of John (fishing magician) for years. He was trying to explain a point and was attacked for it. If what you say is true and Stan does not own the property anymore then the "No Trespassing" signs he was standing under have no bearing. These signs are/were associated with the property when Stan was in possesion of the land. If the state owns the land and they did not want access I would assume that you would see State closure signs, not the No Trespass signs that one can purchase at Ace Harware. I know for a fact that the money drop box associated with the current/former "$40" hole is still up. If John put money in here there may of not been a way to know that the land was now owned by the state. In addition, if access was gained to the land from the water, ie wading and not crossing the mean high water-line then the whole trespassing issue becomes very hazy.
I also do not see how your attack on John bolsters your arguement for the use or no-use of an electric motor on coastal rivers. I for one have not really had to deal with the electric motor issue, but if I was attemping to make a educated decision based on postings here on ifish, your attack on various people and belittling attitude in this post does not give me a vote of confidence towards your position.

[Fishin Magician]

Thanks for the support B&C...... As for where I was parked, right in front of the green garages by Stans old house where he told me it was ok to park. I put $5.00 in the slot everytime I went down there. You are a rude ,condecending old man. You think you own the river and the fish in the river. I am done talking to you because every encounter I have had with you has not been a pleasant one. I am definatly not the only one who feels this way. So go ahead and do whatever it is you think you have to do to keep everyone from taking advantage of your rivers and your fish. I dont care who you think you are but I will not be belittled by anyone especially a hypocrate. Thanks again B&C.........
John

Oh yeah- I am heading to the hospital with my wife to have a baby so I will let you all know what we have tomorrow. :grin: :grin: :grin:

[ 02-20-2002, 12:39 AM: Message edited by: Fishin Magician ]

[Capin' Dan]

Well Jim, It sounds like you need to bend over so the rest of us can kiss your royal backside. This is just the kind of thing that Peta and other organizations love to see dessention among the ranks. This is how they will eventually win and get all fishing outlawed. Why can't you just live and let live. I would much rather see people using electric motors if thats thier thing. Why can't you just take pride in the fact that you keep it pure and quit trying to control everybody elses life. I also don't think that you should be cutting the branches over the stream personally but thats just me I would never say that to anyone out on the water its jsut not worth it. I try to do the best that I can when I fish the streams. The type of fishing described on the Selitz can be very effective for all if done right and professionally. Holding water and slots will usually hold multiple fish.
Just try and get along. I know I for one will put in my .02 when recommending a certain guide in the future.

Dan! :mad:

[Fishen Fool]

Hey Capt Dan, that only works if you have a motor too. For years it has been custumary on the the Sieltz to anchor up and fish, we are going to be forced to buy motors too just to keep up with the guides.