Shasta Lake Kings 6-11

[chartreuse moose]

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[VanDaddy]

Wow - Nice!

Is that black and white setup on your line act as a diver or dodger or both?

[chartreuse moose]

That is a Spin Doctor Dodger and a A-Tom-Mik Fly off steel line with a Dipsy Diver

I only use Spin Doctor or Smart Fish Dodgers when I fish for Land Locked Kings

[trollin4trout]

Those are some nice fish! Thanks for showing off!

How deep do you fish for them? Do you find them with sonar or just have some known good spots you work on?

Shasta is known for kokanee right?- do you fish around the kokanee schools?

That looks like a dodger that would actually spin-duh- thus the name? So how close behind the dodger is the fly- do you make the fly dart around or is the dodger just an attractor?

Is the green color a fav or is it that fly type that you like?

Sorry- so many questions.......thanks for any tips you can share.

Jim

[chartreuse moose]

1 Shasta has no Kokanee only Kings
2. The Spin Doctor dodger only makes a nice soft back and forth movement
3. I use A-Tom-Mik Flies Green is a great color on a cloudy day
4. I run my set ups only 10' off the ball or 10' off a Dipsy diver
5. These where caught at 105' , which the dipsy diver can go down 125'
6. I use a depth Raider I lower in to the water off a down rigger to find the right temperature so I don't fish a lot of unless water.. Kings like the 48 to 52 degree range, once I have found it I fish 10' above that zone
7. I use a Hummingbird 787 -c2sI fish finder, to locate all my fish
8. I troll for Kings and Kokanee at 2.2 mph on gps, there salmon and they can move thought the water when they want.
9. I always run my flies 22 to 24" behind any dodger , I tie the fly with 50lb leader for more movement in the water.
10. On cloudy days I always run Green, other days they could be blue or a mix of colors on one fly
Hope I answered your question for you.

[1sast]

I will say it here to Stan:applause::applause::applause::applause: Simply amazing.

[moknots]

Holy rodholder batman, that's a lot of gear! I might resemble some of that if we ever get the second rod stamp approved! Thanks for the inspirational photos and great details! Lasts time I fished Shasta (10 years ago) we got a couple of 4 pound kings and a bunch of 12-13" kokanee, I thought! Didn't look that close, maybe they were 'nooks.

[trollin4trout]

Hope I answered your question for you.


Yes- it's a home run! Thanks again for the all the great info. Show us more of those footballs anytime. Looks like you had the whole lake to yourself!

[benny boy]

Great pics and man those are some beautiful fish!

[chartreuse moose]

Thanks guys, I will have to say one thing. I spend about 30 days a year fishing Oregon. It has the best fishery on the west coast. I live half way between Redding and Mtshasta, 3rd generation on the same piece of dirt. One thing I have noticed in my 62 years is when people move in, they bring change, even tho they moved there because they love the slow pace. Now all the Californians that have moved up there, it's a wonder you don't have a 2 rod per angler by now. But thank God ,someone some where is smart enough
not to let it happen and ruin a great fishery

[Klamanite]

Thanks guys, I will have to say one thing. I spend about 30 days a year fishing Oregon. It has the best fishery on the west coast. I live half way between Redding and Mtshasta, 3rd generation on the same piece of dirt. One thing I have noticed in my 62 years is when people move in, they bring change, even tho they moved there because they love the slow pace. Now all the Californians that have moved up there, it's a wonder you don't have a 2 rod per angler by now. But thank God ,someone some where is smart enough
not to let it happen and ruin a great fishery

Not being a follower of the California scene, I assume from your comments that you feel the 2-rod stamp has had a negative impact? Have any surveys been done or data compiled that show that? Since the bag limits haven't changed (doubled) with the addition of the second rod what is happening down there to indicate this. I agree that with a second rod out you can get your limit faster, but it is still the same limit as before....Yes?? Are more full limits being taken on an on-going basis than before?

[chartreuse moose]

I hear what your saying , But just think of all those that don't get a limit, with only one rod. Now how many more fish would be taken from the waters if there where two rods.
Then it comes to trophy fish, I seen lake fished darn near dry from monsters,
with an extra rod. Once one starts putting out a spread of rods like a net , the bigger fish will soon be gone. I run planer boards in the fall,winter and spring, I can get up to 7 rods off both sides down here, with the right offering , what fish stands a chance. Not trying to start any crap, it's just my
thoughts on the matter. We as humans if we have one we want two , if we have two then we want three. There has to be a balance some where. Just my 2 cents

[moknots]

I hear what your saying , But just think of all those that don't get a limit, with only one rod. Now how many more fish would be taken from the waters if there where two rods.
Then it comes to trophy fish, I seen lake fished darn near dry from monsters,
with an extra rod. Once one starts putting out a spread of rods like a net , the bigger fish will soon be gone. I run planer boards in the fall,winter and spring, I can get up to 7 rods off both sides down here, with the right offering , what fish stands a chance. Not trying to start any crap, it's just my
thoughts on the matter. We as humans if we have one we want two , if we have two then we want three. There has to be a balance some where. Just my 2 cents

THanks for sharing from experience. I have plenty of trouble fishing 4 lines for 4 fishermen without getting tangled -- have a lot to learn. The attraction for me is being able to get dialed on kokanee quicker. Having a second rod would sure help cover different depths, lures and colors until you find what they want. Once into them, it's pretty tough to fish more than two or three rods for the boat anyway.

[Klamanite]

Not trying to start any crap, it's just my
thoughts on the matter. Me either, just curious what experiences you were basing your opinion's on :flowered: Thanks for the input and nice fish by the way :D :cheers:

We as humans if we have one we want two , if we have two then we want three. There has to be a balance some where. Just my 2 cents

:agree:

THanks for sharing from experience. I have plenty of trouble fishing 4 lines for 4 fishermen without getting tangled -- have a lot to learn. The attraction for me is being able to get dialed on kokanee quicker. Having a second rod would sure help cover different depths, lures and colors until you find what they want. Once into them, it's pretty tough to fish more than two or three rods for the boat anyway.

Bingo :applause:
With the style of fishing that I do, 2 rods are perfect 3 is max. If I could use an extra rod it would only be long enough to find what is hot for that day and then put it up.

[marshworm]

Sorry guys can't keep tha yapper shut on this one!!!

Definetly against anything other than one rod. Everyone is different and entitled to their own opinion but all the reasons and/or thoughts given in favor of more than one rod point towards the difference and widening gap between fishing and catching.

Don't get me wrong I enjoy catching fish just as much as the rest of you but somehow using more than one rod doesn't leave me with the feeling that I will enjoy fishing twice as much.

Hey it just hit me:whistle:...what you are saying is the odds are doubled that you would catch more fish, limiting out faster so you can stop fishing sooner and go home quicker. Hey thats a super idea I'm in favor of the two..no lets make it three rod tag. All I got to do is stick with one rod, take it nice and slow, when all the catchers have gone home I have the place to myself for some really enjoyable fishing:meme:. Four rods would be better!!

CM is quite right with his comments about the fishery we have in Oregon being special. He's talking straight and knows from experience what can happen.

Lets see, first trout fishing derby's....now two rods....whats next?:pray:

One thing about all this multiple rod talk....the tackle makers are :applause: and :meme:about the changes that CM talks about heading our way.

[Klamanite]

Sorry guys can't keep tha yapper shut on this one!!!

Definetly against anything other than one rod. Everyone is different and entitled to their own opinion but all the reasons and/or thoughts given in favor of more than one rod point towards the difference and widening gap between fishing and catching.

Don't get me wrong I enjoy catching fish just as much as the rest of you but somehow using more than one rod doesn't leave me with the feeling that I will enjoy fishing twice as much.

Hey it just hit me:whistle:...what you are saying is the odds are doubled that you would catch more fish, limiting out faster so you can stop fishing sooner and go home quicker. Hey thats a super idea I'm in favor of the two..no lets make it three rod tag. All I got to do is stick with one rod, take it nice and slow, when all the catchers have gone home I have the place to myself for some really enjoyable fishing:meme:. Four rods would be better!!

CM is quite right with his comments about the fishery we have in Oregon being special. He's talking straight and knows from experience what can happen.

Lets see, first trout fishing derby's....now two rods....whats next?:pray:

One thing about all this multiple rod talk....the tackle makers are :applause: and :meme:about the changes that CM talks about heading our way.

Agree somewhat...... I'm 99.9 % catch and release for all species. Definitely not the same for everybody. Personally a second rod could mean the difference betwen an o.k. day and an epic one :twocents:

I'm good with guys limiting out sooner, makes more room on the lake for me to C & R the rest of the day :whistle:

[FallRiverGuy]

FG has a pretty special fishery and they allow two rods, but only a limit of 3 fish. If fishermen catching their limit strains the fishery, change the limit. I bet more states allow the use of multiple rods than don't. States close to Oregon that I know of that allow the use of multiple rods are: Arizona, California, Idaho, Utah, Nevada, Nebraska, Wyoming, Montana and New Mexico. If it was so detrimental to their fisheries, surely the practice would have been discontinued long ago.

To say that I am not really fishing because I use two rods is like saying I am not really fishing because I use bait or lures instead of flies. To each their own. If a second rod stamp is approved, no one will be forced to use it.

I am also not going to buy more gear if I can fish two rods. I support tackle manufactures fine with one rod. :wink:

There have been fishing derbies in this state for years. There are trout derbies, salmon derbies, sturgeon derbies, bass derbies and tuna derbies. There are likely others derbies that I am not aware of. The point is, derbies are not new to the state and are not solely due to californication.

My wish for a two rod stamp is not to put piles more fish in my boat, however, if on a slow day I can catch 4 instead of 2 I am ok with that. It mostly stems from my desire to experiment with different combination of gear side-by-side. Did changing a wedding ring blade from silver to gold make a difference? With out running the control, my experiment is meaningless.

This is my opinion. I do not want to see this turn into a bickerfest, so this is my only post on this matter.

BTW, CM thanks for a good post, pictures and great information.

[chartreuse moose]

Gentlemen this is like don't eat red meat thing, or don't smoke. There is no winner in this type of discussion . temper's fly and feeling get hurt, people say things they normally would not. So I am sorry about bringing the subject up.
Stan

[Klamanite]

Gentlemen this is like don't eat red meat thing, or don't smoke. There is no winner in this type of discussion . temper's fly and feeling get hurt, people say things they normally would not. So I am sorry about bringing the subject up.
Stan

No need to be sorry, eveyone is welcome to their opinion :flowered: It's a good discussion and everyone seem to be treating it with kid gloves so it doesn't get out of hand. Lots of interesting points to think about. I like reading your posts about your methods as they are quite different to what I am used to seeing. You obviously know your craft to successfully run that many rods and catch differing species without wasting time catching each other :D

[bwild]

:D Great fish!

It is a good discussion. Moknots made a good point that it'd be nice to have the extra rods to find what's working. Totally agree with that. But then when you get to honing in on what depth they're biting and what they're biting on, I'm more inclined to keep it simple.

Like Klamanite stated, the type of fishing I do, it can be tough to fish with more than 3 rods. Now, if I'm by myself, HECK YEAH I would love a second rod. But, if I tried to fish 6 rods out of my boat, sweet grief it would be a grade A cluster. But then again, maybe I'm not an experienced/skilled fisherman to make that work. :D

Regardless, everyone's entitled to their opinions, and Klamanite is correct. I think kid gloves are on. No ill will coming from this guy. Just my opinions.

Again, great fish! That's what's really important :wink:

[chartreuse moose]

Gentlemen I posted a video a friend of mine shoot last fall on Shasta lake ,while on my boat . It is called the road to Odell.If you look at the video below you will see a long line from a mast on the bow of my boat. In this video we had 4 lines on one side hitting the shore line for browns , there was only 2 of us this day. There are times when I have 4 people aboard and we will put 4 lines port and 4 lines starboard. There is never a tangled line. The key is reels with line counters so all lines are the same length. Once the fish is hooked it moves back and in the center of the boat, leaving the other lures undisturbed, When it turns to crap , is when you hook up 4 or 5 fish at once. Then it's time to be calm, real calm or you will lose all fish. I have hooked up bull trout, Mackinawa, kokanee, rainbow trout , browns and kings with this method. But all surface temp must be just right to succeed




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[Klamanite]

Nice set-up. That definitely puts the odds in your favor with wary fish. Did you make your own boards/mast or did you buy them? I made a set of boards but I haven't used them much. I need to get a mast similar to yours for them to run properly.

[chartreuse moose]

Mike
My mast was purchased from Bert's custom tackle , It's 6' . Hope I don't get in trouble for this. After months of research , I picked there mast, they custom
fit it to my Crest Liner at no extra cost.The Bert's mast in my opinion is a stronger mast for the bigger boards. The pull from the big boards is vary strong to keep the tow line tight. My boards are made of Redwood and are 36" x 10" 1/4 ", I have another set I made of clear pine that are 1/4"x 10" x 26" , That I use on small lakes . If you would like a set of plans I would be happy to pm you a set.
http://www.teclausa.com/bert/

[Klamanite]

Sounds good Stan, I'm always tinkering with something. The set I made were from some plans I found on-line, but I no longer have them. I don't recall the exact dimensions, I think they're 25- 30 inches long and made from pine 1 x 6's. They run good, I just need the elevated mast to keep the line out of the water.

[marshworm]

FG has a pretty special fishery and they allow two rods, but only a limit of 3 fish. If fishermen catching their limit strains the fishery, change the limit. I bet more states allow the use of multiple rods than don't. States close to Oregon that I know of that allow the use of multiple rods are: Arizona, California, Idaho, Utah, Nevada, Nebraska, Wyoming, Montana and New Mexico. If it was so detrimental to their fisheries, surely the practice would have been discontinued long ago.

To say that I am not really fishing because I use two rods is like saying I am not really fishing because I use bait or lures instead of flies. To each their own. If a second rod stamp is approved, no one will be forced to use it.

I am also not going to buy more gear if I can fish two rods. I support tackle manufactures fine with one rod. :wink:

There have been fishing derbies in this state for years. There are trout derbies, salmon derbies, sturgeon derbies, bass derbies and tuna derbies. There are likely others derbies that I am not aware of. The point is, derbies are not new to the state and are not solely due to californication.

My wish for a two rod stamp is not to put piles more fish in my boat, however, if on a slow day I can catch 4 instead of 2 I am ok with that. It mostly stems from my desire to experiment with different combination of gear side-by-side. Did changing a wedding ring blade from silver to gold make a difference? With out running the control, my experiment is meaningless.

This is my opinion. I do not want to see this turn into a bickerfest, so this is my only post on this matter.

BTW, CM thanks for a good post, pictures and great information.

Hello FRG,
Looks like I set you off with my post, surely that was not the intent as I was not specifically thinking of anyone personally however my sincerest deepest apologies:flowered: for upsetting you.

Just as passionate as everyone else about my fishing as they are of theirs. If we all thought and felt the same it wouldn't be a very stimulating forum.

Anyways, apologies to ya again:flowered:

Have a great weekend! Hope ya knock em dead if your fishing!

[rdk]

Fall river guy what does fishing derby have to do with discussion about two rod fishing??????????

[Connelly]

Sorry guys can't keep tha yapper shut on this one!!!

Definetly against anything other than one rod. Everyone is different and entitled to their own opinion but all the reasons and/or thoughts given in favor of more than one rod point towards the difference and widening gap between fishing and catching.

Don't get me wrong I enjoy catching fish just as much as the rest of you but somehow using more than one rod doesn't leave me with the feeling that I will enjoy fishing twice as much.

Hey it just hit me:whistle:...what you are saying is the odds are doubled that you would catch more fish, limiting out faster so you can stop fishing sooner and go home quicker. Hey thats a super idea I'm in favor of the two..no lets make it three rod tag. All I got to do is stick with one rod, take it nice and slow, when all the catchers have gone home I have the place to myself for some really enjoyable fishing:meme:. Four rods would be better!!

CM is quite right with his comments about the fishery we have in Oregon being special. He's talking straight and knows from experience what can happen.

Lets see, first trout fishing derby's....now two rods....whats next?:pray:

One thing about all this multiple rod talk....the tackle makers are :applause: and :meme:about the changes that CM talks about heading our way.

How do you feel about 2 rods for hatchery salmon and steelhead? If the ODF&W has adequate fish for the program returning to the hatchery why not? I would suggest it should be case by case.

[marshworm]

How do you feel about 2 rods for hatchery salmon and steelhead? If the ODF&W has adequate fish for the program returning to the hatchery why not? I would suggest it should be case by case.

Thanks for asking Connelly:applause:
IF it was up to a vote, which it is not and won't be, I would vote against the two rods for all types of fishing. I also want it understood that I have no problem with those that would choose to use two rods if it was legal. Doing so is their choice. Having said this I would also hope that stating my opinion and explaining it would be accepted by others as I have accepted their desire for whatever reason to use two rods:flowered:
My including derby's in with my statement about rods and change does not mean I oppose all derby's and those that fish them. Like the two rod deal I am merely set views concerning derby's and will, if I feel a derby is inappropriate for any reason, state my views and opinions. I will always strive to be curtious and respectfully when posting here and that will never change.

Thanks again Connelly and good fishing to you:)

[Connelly]

Thanks for asking Connelly:applause:
IF it was up to a vote, which it is not and won't be, I would vote against the two rods for all types of fishing. I also want it understood that I have no problem with those that would choose to use two rods if it was legal. Doing so is their choice. Having said this I would also hope that stating my opinion and explaining it would be accepted by others as I have accepted their desire for whatever reason to use two rods:flowered:
My including derby's in with my statement about rods and change does not mean I oppose all derby's and those that fish them. Like the two rod deal I am merely set views concerning derby's and will, if I feel a derby is inappropriate for any reason, state my views and opinions. I will always strive to be curtious and respectfully when posting here and that will never change.

Thanks again Connelly and good fishing to you:)


Were pretty much on the same page. Derby-no, Shad-Yes! Ocean fin clip Coho-Yes, Columbia Springers-no. 14 and under? My :twocents:, Case by case.
Good fishing to you too!