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I am designing a fly that will revoltionize fly fishing for steelhead! I will post a pic as soon as I am satisfied with the final product but it is very unconventional design..... :wink:
Seriously though I am going to try something that should work but need to work on a few things. Be on the lookout :grin:
will_e_fish
01-22-2003, 01:49 PM
OK if we laugh? Just laughing with with you not at you. I am watching, if you don't mind me laughing
Mad Mikey
01-22-2003, 06:57 PM
Maybe we should call this thread "how to keep a bunch of steelhead flyguys in suspense"!!! :grin:
Cough it up buddy! M80's on a lead eye? Tried that, too dangerous on the backcast.
You've got me thinking though. Many years ago I experimented by tying on a little plastic lip cut from a water bottle to make the fly dive on the swing. couldn't get it balanced right though. It twisted and wiggled, sometimes actually popped out of the water. Got some strange looks from other fishermen too, they tended to give me a wide berth.
Whenever you're ready mad scientist..... :grin:
Airborne
01-22-2003, 07:02 PM
is it designed to catch steelhead fisherman or will it work on the fish as well as it has on me? :laugh:
Gizmo Man
01-22-2003, 08:19 PM
So STew, what type of hype is this??? :smile:
Giz...
flymadness
01-22-2003, 08:25 PM
Mad Mikey,
After seeing the shady characters that you take down the river in your boat, it doesn't suprise me that you would be trying to create a rapala fly. Great effort though. Next time, just throw the real thing on the fly. I would also suggest putting lots of scent on it. FM
Flatfish-fly? Magwart-fly? Seal on a string?
True
Mad Mikey
01-23-2003, 02:58 AM
>>>doesn't suprise me that you would be trying to create a rapala fly<<<
It was years ago, think I was about YOUR age when I was trying that kind of stuff. :grin: :tongue:
Did I ever tell you about my fly with the little spin n' glo attached??? whir whir, plip plop, glurp whir.... I was shunned from my drift on the "D". Oasis made me eat my burger in the outhouse.... :shrug:
flymadness
01-23-2003, 10:29 AM
MM,
I once tried that same thing, until it stuck in my ear. My mother at the time did not take well to an orange spin-n-glo hanging from my ear. :hoboy:
T Loop
01-23-2003, 03:10 PM
Sounds kind of like the "Banjo Minnow"
Okay guys here is what I am working on. You guys that drift fish know how effective the "Pearl Pink" corkie is...right? My thinking is why not incorporate this into a fly? So with that in mind I glued one on a fly hook! These corkies of course are very buoyant so the problem is to get the "fly' down. I added a few wraps of lead wire and this might work graemlins/idea.gif
Still fished in a normal wet fly manner though.
Okay tell me what you think and be gentle :smile:
All you did was glue a corkie to a hook? :shrug:
A little more complicated than that Zaq. Had to find a good way to affix the corkie to the hook and give it enough weight to get down.
Drakeblake
01-23-2003, 08:22 PM
It sounds like it would work to me, but....... why not just use a glow/roe bug? :shrug:
-blake
I like the size of the corkie.
Maybe you could throw a bit of yarn on it and call it...nahhh! That would never work, would it? You should try putting it on the head of a size 4 black Wooly Bugger and a 36890 Mustad hook, or even an 80500 Mustad Salmon/Steelhead hook. Then a little glow bug about 15 inches behind it with 3x Flourocarbon... yeah, baby! That's the ticket!
True
Mad Mikey
01-24-2003, 12:53 AM
>>> My mother at the time did not take well to an orange spin-n-glo hanging from my ear. <<<
Makes a HUGE difference which ear it is hanging off, especially if you are in a Montana tavern on a Friday night..... :shocked: :grin:
will_e_fish
01-24-2003, 11:53 AM
Ok I am laughing because I have tried that before and had a heck of a time getting it down to where the fish were. I'll try it again with smaller corkie wrap copperwire on the hook with a little puff of white yarn. Lead wrap and sinking line. Having fun is what it is all about and seeing what the fish will go for. :laugh:
Mad Mikey
01-24-2003, 01:24 PM
Shane,
Try this. Put the hook in the vice, heat it up with a lighter, place corky on hook so hook melts corky around it, hold in place til cool. DONE
Never tried it with a corky though but it sure works well on plastic bead egg patterns.
MadMikey,
Heating up the hook for a plastic bead!?! Eureka! Why didn't I think of that? That's the best idea I've heard all month! Last month's was pretty good too.
True
Now they really don't stand a chance...
Mad Mikey
01-24-2003, 05:56 PM
I worked at a lodge in AK years ago and when we fished egg patterns for big Bows' those things were the ticket. Easy to make a bunch of them in a hurry.
Standard fly-logic may not classify them as a "fly".
Like I said before, never tried it with a corkie but I think it would work since they are a hard plastic case with foam in the middle. If I were to try this for myself I would tie in some white antron or yarn behind it though.
toonboater
01-24-2003, 06:19 PM
Hey Mikey,
Methinks Tyler's glue gun technique would would just fine. Add a small tuft of yarn and you're done.
Gizmo Man
01-24-2003, 07:52 PM
If you glue a corkie on why even fly fish????
Giz..
will_e_fish
01-26-2003, 04:32 PM
Gizmo Man-It is fun more fun playing fish on s fly pole espically if sight fishing. More senitive more wiggle and bounce. Seems like a more cahllenging and sporting experience.
A regular from Santiam showed me a corkie-setup they use for summer steelies that is close to what we are talking about. Corkie situated up over the eye of hook . Then these regulars from Santiam either fly or dift them that way.
happybrew
01-30-2003, 12:07 AM
Originally posted by Shane S:
Okay guys here is what I am working on. You guys that drift fish know how effective the "Pearl Pink" corkie is...right? My thinking is why not incorporate this into a fly? So with that in mind I glued one on a fly hook! These corkies of course are very buoyant so the problem is to get the "fly' down. I added a few wraps of lead wire and this might work graemlins/idea.gif
Still fished in a normal wet fly manner though.
Okay tell me what you think and be gentle :smile: <font size="2" face="verdana,arial,helv">I hate to break the news to you Shane, but I've already incorporated the concept into a fly, and it works. I didn't use a corkie, though. Size six steelhead hook, wide body of fluorescent pink yarn, and a white crystal flash wing. That's it. You can soak it really good in scent too.
happybrew
Happybrew how did you get it to it's proper depth?
Let's see a pic! Haven't you had enough time to research? I want to see now, now, now!
True
p.s. Okay, so the high water has me a little frustrated that I can't head out and fish this weekend... sorry. :depressed:
happybrew
02-01-2003, 03:27 AM
Shane, it sinks just like any other fly does. I usually fly fish for steelhead in smaller streams with a floating line. I've never used a sinking line, but I imagine a sinking line and a short leader would get it down anywhere you would want it.
True: I just moved, gotta find the camera somewhere in one of the boxes we haven't unpacked yet.
happybrew
Fishrite
02-01-2003, 07:06 PM
Shane S:
Don't let all the smack talk discourage you. Sounds like a good idea to me.....I'll be watching for it.
Fishrite
lucky strike
02-01-2003, 08:06 PM
you might be on to something graemlins/applause.gif but we need to see the finished product
Mad Mikey
02-01-2003, 08:07 PM
This could start a whole new thread, i.e. When is a fly not a fly?. Even if your bug is tied with all natural material, when you are swinging it it is really only the same thing as a lure.
Nymphing you could say you are a imitating a food source, which for the most part, is true.
For steelhead though, a dead drifted nymph of any kind arouses more of a curiousity response than a feeding reaction IMO. Yes, I've seen Summer steelhead feeding quite well at times, even got to watch one sipping BWO's a few Octobers ago.
I don't think there are many, if any, Stoneflies on the coast but I do know people who fish the nymphs for Winter steelhead and do quite well. Don't think they are a big food source over there.
As far as anything that resembles an egg, be it tied with fuzzy yarn, craft store pom-poms, plastic beads and yes! even corkies, it's reasonably safe to make the argument that it is NOT truly a "fly" and on the other hand, well, maybe it is. All depends on how you look at it.
Whether it IS imitating an egg or not, my experience here in the NW and AK has proven to me that fish DIG round stuff. Period. I would logically assume it is a latent response to eating eggs at sometime during their lives but I see fish caught on corkies darn near the size of golf balls.
In AK I used orange pom poms about 3/4" diameter on virtually every species that was in the river, they ALL loved those big ugly things. But, that IS AK. Fish are goofy up there, not terribly picky.
I've had steelhead pick up my round split shot and IGNORE my purty' fly, subsequently snagging themselves in the flank. It took me 3 or 4 fish hooked like this to figure out what was happening. The light went on when I got one on the OTHER side of the river and it was snagged in the opposite flank. So now I use twist strips and a round fly of some sort, problem solved.
Anyways, corky on a hook, plastic bead or a fuzzy whatchagot nymph fished dead drift count in my book, one is not necessarily more or less righteous than the other. It's just FUN!
Now, pulling plugs with my 10wt???? Welllll, that's a story for another time..... :hoboy: :laugh: :grin:
Tanner
02-04-2003, 04:37 PM
Shane,
You could try some of the largest sized tungsten dumbell eyes in front of the corkie or how about running several large tungsten beads onto the shank and dressing over the top of them with macrame yarn. Just an idea. The only problem I see is it would take a 12 weight to throw the darned things. You could always fish it nymph style with a couple split shot on your leader about a foot above the fly.
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