Color Preserve and Black Thread

[onaga]

I have black thread on the first rod I've built. Is there a need for color preserve on black thread?

[OnTheSauk]

I don't bother although some will. They say it holds everything together better when you apply finnish. Come to think of it, I don't use color preserve on any color!

[Grady252]

I do not care for color preserver. It depends on the look you are trying to achieve and the type of thread you are using.

I don't think color preserver holds anything together better at all. In fact it is the oposite; when you use color preserver it seals the thread so the finish/epoxy wont penetrate the thread and change the color. Less penetration means a barrier to the bond.... means weaker overall product..... will it ever matter? probably not...:)

If you like the individual threads to remain visible when the clear finish dries then you should use color preserver. If you like the color to blurr out and the wraps to just look the color you are using then just use thread fininsh/epoxy. When it soaks into the threads it has a tendancy to just take on the color of the thread......

Hope that made sense......

[Rooster1264]

I think we got off topic here.

The answer to your question is no you do not.

[StickFish]

I use a lot of black on my underwraps and do not use CP and it stays nice and black on a black blank.

[Grady252]

I think we got off topic here.

The answer to your question is no you do not.

Not off topic at all..... It was all related to whether or not he "needs" color preserver. Which will depend on the overall look he wants to achieve.

Who made you the topic police?

[okie man]

Not off topic at all..... It was all related to whether or not he "needs" color preserver. Which will depend on the overall look he wants to achieve.

Who made you the topic police?you shouldn't have done that! and yes you need cp if you used madeira thread. all others its up to you.

[DirectDrive]

Black on black...probably don't need color preserver.
If there is ever a question, just do a couple of sample wraps at the butt end.
Do one with CP and the other without, then you can decide which "effect" you want.
You can put a tiny slice of aluminum foil under the wraps to reveal any translucency.

You are less apt to be able to see the guide feet with color preserver if that is a concern.
The same thread will often appear lighter in color with CP as opposed to without.

[onaga]

Thanks for the responses. I will have pictures when I can get my wife to show me how to get that done. I've been out all day and just getting back to a computer.

[Green Giant]

Because the CP prevents the epoxy finish from penetrating the threads, I believe it is less durable. I have been under-wrapping some rods with metallic thread and letting the nylon wrap bleed (no CP) to traslucent. Looks nice. Examples are gold metalic under red nylon or ice-blue metallic under royal blue nylon.

Gary

[abufreak]

i don't belive it's necessary on black thread -- where color preserver becomes useful is when you want the color to stand out. it's unless you're wrapping a white blank, your thread tends to take on the color of the blank.

a good way to look at the "downside" of color preserver is that it makes it much easier to remove and replace a guide, should you damage it. i've never had problems with guide wraps unraveling from the use of cp under epoxy.

i've also noticed that you can obtain a nice semi-translucent effect(but still preserve the true thread color) on your wraps by just using a single coat of cp, just enough to barely saturate the thread. 2 or 3 coats will get you that opaque, painted on look. or you can just use NCP thread :D