What do you do with a Dough Ball

[OR Coast Range]

You fry them in oil.

Ummm... donut holes images/icons/grin.gif

[Bait O' Eggs]

I thought waterdog was off hunting images/icons/confused.gif

[Silent Lucidity]

I get really nervous when people fish too close to me. My casting technique gets really bad. And I turn into a side-caster. And I get a lot of fish that hit my offerings within 10' of shore and I set that hook like I'm setting into granite. Again, side-arm. And I talk to people who aren't there, because I refuse to allow doctors to make me take drugs that change who I am. My wife couldn't change me (nor the one before her) so I sure as heck won't change for some angler-person.

I refuse to promote violence, but I cannot help it when I'm such a bumbling baffoon when people fish too close to me.

[Get Bit]

C&E,
Over the years I have always done my best to be incredibly overcourteous on the rivers I fish. I used to go as far as to move to the next hole or further to stay out of someones way in an effort to be courteous. Have always prided myself on being able to keep my mouth shut when faced with the ultimate in doughballs.The best method I have found was taught to me by fishbait over the years in tidewater : Treat them like stumps !! Continue to fish as you normally would as long as there is room. Most of these guys aren't going to catch fish anyway. Over the past few years my patience has gone and I will let someone have it verbally if I think they are being rude. Making sure that I am non threatening and always polite. I still do my best to get along with folks but with so many crazy people out there we must make every effort to teach people common river courtesy. Good Luck with your patience !

Get Bit

[Deleted User]

Good wisdom Get Bit. I too will politely let guys know if they are getting out of line. Being nice about things can go a longs ways. But if they continue rude improper etiquette anyway, I ask them what they expect to accomplish acting as they are. Then I raise my voice ('Fly can describe it for you images/icons/grin.gif - the 'Beast of thet Queets' images/icons/wink.gif ) and that usually takes care of most dough balls. ... If that doesn't work I just shoot them and keep fishing. Nah, jk jk jk. If all else fails I try to size up the mental stability of the jerk, in case he has a firearm, and if it seems worth it I will take a similar track as SL posted above. Or move on.

RT

[WaterDog]

Since I dont fish eagle creek it couldnt have been me *******!!!!

Let's see, is a doughball the same as getting your bowline sucked up into your pump? That makes a ball. Doh!!! images/icons/tongue.gif images/icons/tongue.gif

[willierower]

Pack a flyrod, When the dough ball approaches pick up the flyrod and start flailing it wildly. This usually clears them out quickly, Soeithing about a hook fly about ones head gets people moving rather fast.

Another good trick I have used is my wife images/icons/grin.gif A cpouple of real goof balls were trying to crowd me out of a hole. My wife saw what was going on and walked up and told me not to get mad, She said she would take care of it. She stepped in and started casting over them. She would also cast right on there line and tangle everything up. When one of them said something about she turned on her psycho mode and went off on the guy. Needles to say they left in a hurry images/icons/grin.gif . You just got to love her for that. We still laugh about that.

[Spooled]

I never have that problem, being the mean looking guy that I am. images/icons/grin.gif Maybe you should fish somewhere where it takes some talent to catch fish. images/icons/tongue.gif If the guy has been fishing there since 1963, he is as old as RT and you could push him and his walker over, and not miss a cast. images/icons/shocked.gif

[ 10-12-2001: Message edited by: Spooled ]

[Nanook]

Veteran Pillsbury spokesman Pop N. Fresh died yesterday of a severe
yeast infection. He was 71. Known to friends as Brown-n-Serve, Fresh was
an avid gardener and tennis player.

Fresh was buried in one of the largest funeral ceremonies in recent
years. Dozens of celebrities turned out including Mrs. Butterworth, the
California Raisins, Hungry Jack, Aunt Jemima, Betty Crocker, the Hostess
*****ies, and Skippy.

The grave side was piled high with flours as longtime friend Aunt Jemima
delivered the eulogy, describing Fresh as a man who "never knew how much
he was kneaded."

Fresh rose quickly in show business, but his later life was filled with
many turnovers. He was not considered a very smart cookie, wasting much
of his dough on half-baked schemes -- conned by those who buttered him
up. Still, even as a crusty old man, he was a roll model for millions.

Fresh is survived by his second wife. They have two children and another bun in the oven.

The funeral was held at 3:50 for about 20 minutes.


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[dampainter]

given the circumstances of this situation if I had been in your shoes I would of told the jerk its first come first serve and to "please" go somewhere else and that he was a little too close. If that failed I would "play" a little with the fishing lines and than after a while of this, depending if I wanted to fish more or not...might do it a little more.... and than possibly a little of all your mentionables, finally before going to another area or homefront I would tell him about his senile self.unfortunately there are some people out there that just do not have a clue and or a brain cell to take care of the other brain cell and than when they invade on others out of all reasoning they seem to think they did no wrong or that others are at fault, where do these doughballs come from ??? images/icons/confused.gif

[boater]

just say, hey you clown your casting over my line and i was here first, if he gets smart with you just kick his *** .

[BUGLEMAN]

How about this one. A Gloomis toting, wadelite wearing, leadhead jig drifting doughball. That was a first for me. Seeing a guy "plunk" a bradberry jig. He said, "I am not snagging", LOOOUUUU-SZZEEEERRR!

[fishhead5]

Rt I think you forgot the word "Inbread" images/icons/grin.gif

Fishhead5

[Robert]

Let a cast hit him in the head.I have done it before on accident but hay knowone is perfect.I once hit a guy who stole mine and my dads spot when we went to get some food after the truck. He left after I bounced a four ounce weight off his head. I would not recomend this unless some of the people there are on your side. You were their first. Its the other guys fault for not being able to get out of bed. I really hate people who do this. If the weeny cant get up early enought then he should go elsewhere.

[Sol Duc]

Hey Robert...you go to the truck and get food youve lost your spot dude!!! You sound like a dough ball! You bounce a 4oz weight off my head and your going to be in real deep!!! images/icons/mad.gif images/icons/mad.gif images/icons/mad.gif

[Robert]

Hey dude, we got there at three in the morning. We left our gear in our spot. Then some quacks took our spot. It is wrong to go steal a guys spot.IT TAKES A REAL BIG MAN TO STEAL A KIDS FISHING SPOT.That is just wrong. If a nine year old can get up at three to get a spot then why cant a 30 year old do the same? If someone steals my spot again or crowds in I will do it again.

[CATCH AND EAT]

That arrives late to a favorite hole on Eagle Creek that is already full. He stands on your shoulder after you ask him not to. Cast over you line with no sense of timing. Starts yelling at you and proceeds to tell you he has fished the river since 1963. Note: he was never seen he last year. So what do you do?

1. Cast over him every time with tuff line.
2. set the hook and make sure you bang his rod from underneath.
3. push him in the river.
4. open a can of whoop tail on him.
5. go fish somewhere else.
6. just before leaving, throw rocks in the hole to scare all the fish.
7. all of the above?
8. seek consoling

You must know that the fisher that this happened to is one of the greatest guys you will meet on the river. Always willing to help and give advise. Very slow to anger. But this jerk managed to do it and is now considered the enemy. The hated dough ball of Eagle Creek.

By the way, if this sounds like you and I fish next to you....I am slow to anger but I will be the victor!!! Other than that, good fishing to all you non-dough ball types.

[Deleted User]

Oh man Robert, if you were this "9 year old", or as an adult, that bounced heavy lead off a guy's head in front of your father? I agree with your statement that you will do this again - and again, and like things again and again, until you finally get shot. Unfortunate that your father didn't teach you better ways to handle a situation like that - in ways suggested above. Do you have children you are teaching to react violently to situations that could be handled a better way? If so, you should be alerted that this is what has been getting some of them shot in today's world. Shot by other kids's whose parents didn't set a good example and teach them proper behavior either. Don't be mad at me for telling the truth! I'm just the messenger. ...

FH5, I went back and read my post, and you're right about adding 'inbred'. You were also along with 'Fly and I on that trip on the Queets. And we know that some guides are "dough balls" too - even in front of their clients! No shortage of guys needing a proper education out on our rivers in this era. Just not by throwing heavy lead at their head. If needed, throw some educating insults and some line over theirs.

[BlueWater]

Do what I do. Fish on Tuesdays. images/icons/cool.gif
BlueWater

[Robert]

It was a mistake. The dude said there was plenty of room after he took it. I had just learned to cast and was not very good. I could not have hit the guy in the head if I tried. I might call the gut a moron or the like but do not have the guts to intentionally hit him with weight or start a fight. What do you expect from a nine year old? What do you expect when you fish beside a little kid? You have to expect that kind of thing espicially if you are last to get to the water.
My dad is the nice guy who has to calm me from yelling at other people. Even though they probaly deserve it.
I really resent the doughball comment, and will not sink to you level in a response.
If you cant get to the spot early dont complain about others and try to hog the spot which others got up really early to get to.

[Sol Duc]

Robert..first of all,why are you using 4-0z of lead? Is this called river mooching? Once you leave a spot on the river for any length of time,unless were talking about taking a wizz or a ciggarette break or some sort of "short" break your spot is GONE!!! Regardless if you left your **** on the bank of the river.Well enough said,lets go fishing and enjoy ourselves.

[Robert]

I am not used to were you leave for a minute and someine takes your spot. I am used to plunking where you use a pole holder. These places you can real in your pole and go to the store and knowone woudl steal your spot. Even the places where I have drift fished bobber fished or casted plugs it was ok to use the can or get food without is be stolen. I did not mean to do it and it would be wrong to do it on purpose. I was sorry I did it and apoligixed fot it. I just hate people who fish to close or take my spot.I want to know how we can stop people from crowding in. I hate it when someone casts over me, then reels in bringing my gear in as well. I had some jerk do that to me this spring. It frayed a bunch of new line. Does the person who frayed my line owe me money for it? I think he owes me for the the line he frayed. I got up early for the spot and he got there late and crowded in. I want to fish in peace and dont want people to fish to close.

Some times I feel like doing something but dont want to go to jail.I am afraid of people with guns. I also dont want people to crowd in.
I may be a smart allick but would not cast a weight at someone on purpose, I may feel like it but it would be wrong. First of all I dont want to start a fight, or get the other person hurt and get myself sued.

[fishbait]

My response depends on just how bad the person is. IF it is ignorance (probably not the case this time) I try to educate, sometimes somewhat in their face type of teaching...........IF they are really beligerant and I think that they know better, look out, I can make their life very unplesant, and I will.............The last time this happened to me I took him out every cast, Granted I did not catch a fish for over an hour, but he finally got the message, as he was leaving, I told him that it was too bad we were unable to fish together. Had his attitude been a little differant I would have gladly shared the drift.........This is one of the reasons that I don't fish from the bank or fish weekends very much anymore.......

[SuperT]

I learned the value of standing my ground in a fishing hole when I was about 13. I was drifting a hole on the Puyallup River and this other fisherman kept inching his way downstream toward me until he was right on top of me practically. First of all, I was a kid, out fishing with my grandpa who was just observing. Second, I was side casting with an old Heddon Winona reel. Third, there were only a few other people on this quarter mile long bar. The doughball just looks at me from about 12 feet away and starts casting again. I moved down further and he moved down with me. I started to move again, but my grandpa stopped me and yelled "No, put it right in his dam* ear!!" So I looked at him, smiled, and swung away. I guarantee he was within a quarter inch of getting his ear pierced. He smartly moved about a hundred yards upstream after that.
I guess the moral of the story is be willing to give a little occassionally, but DO NOT feel that you have to be the one to give all of the time.

[CATCH AND EAT]

First water, first choice of spot. Take my spot? I don't think so. I am liable to foul hook you big time. I am usually polite the first time. Second time it gets old but I am patient. Third time, you get wet, hooked, or publically humilliated.

If I get up early to get a spot I deserve it. You come in a 10:30 and try to take over. Notttttttttaaa chance. Get up early or be content with a spot that is not so good. If it is crowded find another spot. At least have the courtesy to ask to fish.

Thanks folks for all the good and funny do's and don'ts of doughball elimination.

[Phish_on]

golly gee, Eagle Creek sure sounds like fun.

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[birdhunter]

I've got a new Iggle Creek Dough Ball story!

This Sunday my buddy and I got up at 5 am to go fishing at Eagle Creek. This is after getting home at 1:30 after a triumphant OSU football win, mind you. We stumble out out bed, drive to the creek, and hike down into the canyon by flashlight around 6. All this so we could get the prime spots in a favorite hole.

We fish there all morning and I get a 10 lb hen right off the bat and loose another fish. We're drifting corkies and yarn, just minding our own buisness, when out pop this dough ball fly geek. This is like at 9 am. I don't know where he came from, or where he thought he was going, but the A-Hole proceeds to wade out into the run 20 feet below me (without even the decency to ask if I minded him fishing there) and proceeds to cast directly over my line.

The fact that he would be audacious enough to wade out into the run I was fishing w/out permission was one thing, but the fact that he was casting over the top of me was another. Something had to be done. I walked over to him and nicely asked if he would mind not fishing over my drift. First he told me that he wasn't fishing over my drift, because he was fishing dry flies so they were above my line. I told him that it was a big creek with plenty of water and he could fish somewhere else. (Mind you, there were no other people for 100 yrds on either side of us) He told me in no uncertain terms that there was plenty of water for him to fish right here and since he'd been fishing here for years it was more his spot than mine. I gently reminded him that this was public land and since he didn't own it, he didn't have any ******g rights to fish wherever he damn well pleased.

The fly geek must have been a diplomat, because he launched into negotiations telling me that if we caught a fish, he would help us land it w/ his trout net. I politely declined, saying I didn't want him anywhere near any of my fish and I could land them just fine w/out his expert help. He then told me, in no unceartin terms, that he had never seen a fish actually bite corkie and yarn and he hoped he wouldn't have to call the police on me for snagging. I guess this was his idea of intimidation. Big mistake.

Happily, I tied on something else that I hoped wouldn't be construed by him as snagging material: a #5 blue fox spinner. Every time he cast, I cast right next to him. He got tired of this after a while, responded by calling me a plethora of colorful names and waded out up to his elbows, effectively ruining the small hole for all of us. So the cat and mouse game went on for almost an hour. He would cast up above us and we would drift through the run. Finally he left and I swear to God, not 10 seconds after he stepped out of the hole, fish on. About a nice 10 lb buck that we landed. My greenhorn buddy of course proceeded to unhook it and pick it up by the belly as I was approaching with the fish-whacker. The fish, sensing its impending demise, squirmed out of his hands, flopped across the rocks back into the water and zipped up river never to be seen or eaten by me again.

Sufficed to say, we stopped fishing soon after and it was a very long car ride home.

[ 10-15-2001: Message edited by: birdhunter ]

[Deleted User]

Hey Birdhunter! I think I ran into the same geek. I was casting into this small run of water, maybe enough water to hold two fish max. I casting from about 35 feet across the creek. Two of us fishing the hole, don't know the other guy. Then here he comes... Fly pole in hand, procedes to walk the middle of the creek and just when I pull in to let him pass he wades to the other side right through the only hole 100 yards either way. I give the guy the what the **** look and he pretends he cant see me with his sun glasses on. I went to get my buddy, all 350lbs of him to head home. I thought we might catch up to the "Dude", but I think he must have read my mind.

"I'd like to spit some beachnut in that dude's eye..." you know the rest. images/icons/mad.gif images/icons/smile.gif

[Nanook]

[ 10-16-2001: Message edited by: ****** ]