Need advice on Back Bouncing

[smoky]

Can anybody give me the a 101 class on "back bouncing eggs" from my Willie?

Setup, anchored or rowing, types off holes to fish?

Much appreciated.

[ 09-07-2001: Message edited by: smoky ]

[Silent Lucidity]

OUCH! Now that's a REAL man!

[smoky]

Hey Lucid, can you help me ou with the back bouncing technique?

[bait boy]

Next Thursday I can show you how to do it on the Lewis. maybe Saturday late morning or evening. email me if you wanna go and we'll talk.

[David Johnson]

Hey Jeff,

Just book a trip with me on the coast this fall and I'll show you how it's done....

Any way, have you had your baby yet?

Back bouncing is done in the deeper holes and either from a rowed boat or from an anchored one. I prefere one that is moving becuase you cover more water. Some times you have to anchor up just to keep your spot from getting anchoured in by some one else.

David

[cureless]

I prefer an anchored spot mostly because I am the rower and its hard to backbounce and row at the same time. Dave I would love to see you row and bounce at the same time? (JK) Thats what I love about guides they do all the work and you do all the fishing.

I use a sliding droper when backbouncing.
It's almost as simple and easy as pulling plugs, easier if you look at it from the rowers perspective.

Keep it bouncing back down the current and close to the bottom, keep the slack line to a minimum. Beware when lifting or lowering the line thats when you will get hits.

Nothing more cool than feeling that bite when backbouncing.

Cureless

[Master Baiter]

Make sure you feel that sinker 'THUD' on the bottom each drop! images/icons/wink.gif

[BUGLEMAN]

Someone weight in on this but from what I understand, after you feel the take....wait for them to turn and set the hook (ie. start hammering) Is this the right hooking tech. I will be trying for the big ones, man this fall.

[fish forever]

what does the terminal set up look like?

what type of weights and how much? (ie. cannon ball?)

how long for leader and dropper

[Get Bit]

Smoky,
My Tillamook technique consists of a 3 ft leader with a 12-18" +/- dropper. Mainline is 80lb. Tuff and the leader is 50-60lb Big Game in the green. I hardly ever use any corky/spin glo or etc. Good Eggs is all you need ! My hook is a 6/0 triple x Mustad but the Gamakatsus are a fine choice also. Anchored or moving all depends on whether or not you are willing to row. As far as sinkers go it really doesn't matter if its a bank sinker or round. This setup will catch fish ! If you get bit the secret is to wait until that fish has got the rod throbbing and almost stripping line. This is difficult for many to do but you will not lose or miss many fish this way. This setup may sound extreme but I'm strictly going for harvest !
I just don't feel that those fish are line shy and I hate to lose fish. Hope this helps.

[Perfect Drift]

How fast or often should you bounce?

[Deleted User]

I backbounce the coastal rivers for 'nooks a little bit differently than in bigger inland water; where I use around a 22" dropper out in the Willamette and 12" in the Clackamas when bouncing eggs &/or sandshrimp for springers. For backbouncing big fall 'nooks up the rivers such as the Trask or Wilson, I usually use about a 10" dropper and 36" to 42" leader; about 30 lb. Maxima Chamleon with 40 lb. superbraid mainline (which is great for backbouncing - as well as floatfishing, driftfishing, and plugpulling/Kwikfishing for 'nooks). Use a steady medium shortstroke bounce cadence for a good starting point. I will often vary this in attempts to draw strikes. Big 'nooks will often strike Bb'd eggs pretty hard and you just set the hook and have at it. But they will also nibble a little and this is when you want to wait until they take it good before setting the hook. In clearish water I will either fish eggs alone or with a very small pearl corkie or birdie. In medium water I like to use a 2 tone green corkie or birdie above my eggs. In murky water I like to add a little larger 2 tone Spin N Glo above the eggs, with 2 bead spacer. Two of my favorite SnG colors for murky water is the old tried and true chartreuse and flame red combo, and also the 2 tone chartreuse/lime green combo. If I am fishing the river when it is up running both pretty strong and colored I will backbounce along the seams out of the strongest current a lot. On softer bottoms where the mud/silt/sand can get into the fish's gills I will often increase my dropper length up to 18" or so because the fish will move up off bottom a bit to avoid this stuff going thru their gills as much. This is common fishing tidewater areas when the rivers are up, and in some of the longer deeper holes up river. If the bottom is gravel or rocky keep your dropper to around 8" to 12". ...

If the river and current is low I prefer to anchorup over good holes. When it is up and running at a good height and color (which I love) I prefer backtrolling - and either backbouncing eggs or wrapped Kwikfish; among other things. I just hope we get some rain and good water conditions this fall for a change!

[Perfect Drift]

RT, you definitely cover the 4 bases.
Wow, you said so much in detail how could a guy miss.
This is what makes this site so wonderful.
You sharing years of knowledge in one post.
Helping a fellow get more enjoyment from something we both love doing.
I gave a $100 to a friend sometime back when she really needed it, she couldn't say thank you enough. I said don't say thank you to me, just don't hold on to it when you see someone else in need. Pass it on.

[Get Bit]

RT,
Have you ever had a problem with fish breaking off on that line/leader set up? I used to fish that light but had too many fish snap that light stuff. Whats your feeling ?

Get Bit

[Salmonator]

Bugleman, my favorite way to set the hook while backbouncing is to feel for what you are sure is a bite, then reach foward giving about a foot or two of slack and when the line goes tight you hammer 'em. I think this gives them the chance to get the eggs deep. OK so sometimes I freak out and set the hook if the line gives a slight twitch. Depends on how much coffee I had that morning... images/icons/grin.gif

[Deleted User]

GB, I never have a problem with the big 'nook sawing thru my 30 lb. Maxima leader because I use the no stretch superbraid mainline. This line would give a $60 'North by Northwest'(Griggs graphite blank) rod as much sensativity as a $240 GLoomis GL3 gives with a mono mainline. Sooooo ... with my better than Griggs blanked rods I can feel just when the eggs have slipped barely past the nook's teeth, and I give it a gentle hook point poke just inside the gumline. Then on the first large head shake I drop the hammer to the fish when it's head is sideways to me. This puts the hook right in the corner of it's jaw, solid! And the teeth don't come into contact with the leader that way. ...... images/icons/grin.gif And if you believe I can do that, I have a beautiful Shakespeare fiberglass steelhead rod on sale for only $199.99 ! images/icons/wink.gif ... Nah, I can't feel them sniff or lick the eggs with braid lines, but you do get much better sensativity with them. But I set the hook by what I've learned to feel over many years of landing these fish. And when I set it I hope to get lucky with a good hook placement. However, I have only very rarily lost a big fall chinook salmon on 30 lb. Maxima Chameleon leader that broke due to a saw thru. It is not lght! More fish are lost when they wrap around an unbreakable snag. If you feel more confident with 40 lb. leader that's just fine to use. I like the lightly less stiffer leader so as to keep the eggs moving slightly more freely/naturally during backbouncing, driftfishing, or floatfishing. I will sometimes even go down to 25 lb., or 20 lb. in gin clear water, if the fish are spooky. Not that they are leader shy, but because more naturally appearing egg movement can draw more strikes in those conditions. ... When I have fished up in AK or B.C. on huge Kings, where most guides use 60 lb. leader, I have used 40 lb. with excellant success and very rarily break off. But I do know how to turn a fish's head to keep it going where I prefer it to, sometimes anyway images/icons/smile.gif, so that helps out. Good luck.

RT

[BUGLEMAN]

Thanks all for the tech. I am ready to b-bounce for chinook. RT I will practice that sticking in the gumline and then lock into the corner technique. images/icons/wink.gif

This will be the first year. I have had my d-boat for over 4 but just haven't had the time or the good reports to get to the Wilson, Trask etc. I am ready this year though with eggs and desire.