View Full Version : Here we go again
sliverslinger
11-03-2007, 09:35 PM
I took the boat out today to the nestucca to look for salmon, no luck.
I started up both motors and had them warming up for the day. I shut the kicker off and used my 40 hp to get to where we wanted to go, shut it off and tried to get the kicker going. It wouldnt start. I pulled the plug and noticed a white substance on the plug, Put it back in after cleaning and it tried to turn over, then I still couldnt get it to go. Checked the plug again and there was the white substance again. What could it be? water in the fuel? Or just bad plug?
Can you describe the white stuff a bit more?
Liquid? Gell? Hard deposit?
Have you checked your compression?
So...it started at the launch but not after running the other motor. Do they share a fuel source?
sliverslinger
11-04-2007, 06:12 AM
Can you describe the white stuff a bit more?
Liquid? Gell? Hard deposit?
Have you checked your compression?
So...it started at the launch but not after running the other motor. Do they share a fuel source?
The white stuff and a liquid, Kind of like 1%milk.
I have not checked my compression, but I had it running for about 1/2 hr the day before. They do not share the same fuel. Each motor has its own tank.
I filled up a mason jar full of gas from the kickers tank and let it set, I looked and cannot see any water at the bottom of the glass.
Man, hafta say that sounds like water, a little oil and a little water would look just like that. Might have a cracked water jacket, this could suck, big time.
Smj
Does the kicker have a head that comes off the top of the cylinder? If that's the case you may only need gaskets? We love pictures, why don't you pull the cowling off and take a couple of shots of the power head on that thing.
Smj
sliverslinger
11-04-2007, 09:47 AM
Does the kicker have a head that comes off the top of the cylinder? If that's the case you may only need gaskets? We love pictures, why don't you pull the cowling off and take a couple of shots of the power head on that thing.
Smj
will do
sliverslinger
11-04-2007, 10:05 AM
will do
http://www.ifish.net/gallery/data/500/medium/ebay_pic_2_040.jpg
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and here is a pic of the fuel I took out of the tank. Does it look too clooudy to you? Maybe water in the fuel?
http://www.ifish.net/gallery/data/500/medium/ebay_pic_2_045.jpg
fishkisser
11-04-2007, 10:38 PM
Man, hafta say that sounds like water, a little oil and a little water would look just like that. Might have a cracked water jacket, this could suck, big time.
Smj
:yeahthat::agree: Sounds like you need a T-8...;)
Some outboards look like they're from outerspace to me....You can remove the head, you may just need a new head gasket. You need to line up a head gasket first, then pull the head. You can see from the third pic, the water jacket only goes about 2 1/2"-3" down the cylinder from the head, once you pull the head you ought to be able to tell if there's a crack or if the gasket is just broken.
You might see if you could get new ifish member Zeke to chip in on this, he said he wrenched on alot of outboards in years past. I'm not, and never have been, an outboard mechanic, I've been a Honda motorcycle mechanic and worked on a bunch of small engines though. The principals are the same, the specifics are different.
Smj
Some outboards look like they're from outerspace to me....You can remove the head, you may just need a new head gasket. You need to line up a head gasket first, then pull the head. You can see from the third pic, the water jacket only goes about 2 1/2"-3" down the cylinder from the head, once you pull the head you ought to be able to tell if there's a crack or if the gasket is just broken.
You might see if you could get new ifish member Zeke to chip in on this, he said he wrenched on alot of outboards in years past. I'm not, and never have been, an outboard mechanic, I've been a Honda motorcycle mechanic and worked on a bunch of small engines though. The principals are the same, the specifics are different.
Smj
That fuel doesn't look right to me. Looks a little cloudier than it should. It's hard to believe any water is that well dispersed though and doesn't settle out.
Try changing the fuel source to a known good one, and check the spark before you pull the head.
Dan, this is what your fuel should look like:
http://www.ifish.net/gallery/data/500/medium/2_cycle.JPG
Be sure you use a good quality TC-W3 2 cycle engine oil.
Bill {GSD}
Dan, this is what your fuel should look like:
http://www.ifish.net/gallery/data/500/medium/2_cycle.JPG
Be sure you use a good quality TC-W3 2 cycle engine oil.
Bill {GSD}
:agree: Yeah! That's more like it! That other stuff is too cloudy. Drain the tank, carb, and fuel lines, pull the plug and crank it over a few times, put everything back together and refill with good, fresh fuel mixture. I'll bet it starts.
sliverslinger
11-06-2007, 07:05 AM
well I got rid of the gas in that container and cleaned it out again. I siphoned some more out of my tank and it looks just like your pic above.
My buddy came over and heated up my spark plug and put it back in and it ran fine for a while, I shiut the motor off and cannot get it to restart. could it be just the spark plug is bad? Why would the spark plug get fouled out so quickly?
Of course you're running it in water.....Is the plug wet again now that it won't start? Is the water level in the tank/sink you are running it in the same level as if the boat were sitting in the water? When you ran to your spot this weekend, is there a chance that the backwash you get when you shut down the big motor, hit the kicker and got in the exhaust port to the cylinder. Just some questions that come to mind.
Those old motors aren't real high-tech, they used to run them on non-detergent 30 weight motor oil for cripes sakes. The old fuel you had there didn't look right to me either, but I would think that old motor would still run, although possibly badly, on that fuel. And I don't see that cloudy fuel mix leaving milky water on the plug.
Maybe there's a lining of some kind in your tank that's broken down clouding the fuel?
Definetly do all that Zeke's suggesting before pulling the head off though, more than once even.
Smj
sliverslinger
11-06-2007, 07:44 AM
This is a 1988 motor, I am wondering how hard it would be to take apart the fuel bowl and lines to make sure they are free and clear of obstructions. I am going to go out and try to get it going again today. I am going to get a new spark plug or 2 also.
in answer to your question, I may have gotten water in the exhaust port. My buddy said that when I gunned the motor that I almost buried the kicker under water. :frown:
Dang kicker plate doesnt want to seem to hold it up high enough. The gas does look nice and clear just like the one posted. I may have had something else in the jar, or I shook up the tank before putting it in the jar. Heck I dont know.
It is wierd how it can go from running like a top to not running at all.
Orion
11-06-2007, 12:00 PM
Is there a fuel filter that may be clogged?
well I got rid of the gas in that container and cleaned it out again. I siphoned some more out of my tank and it looks just like your pic above.
Your fuel pickup is in the bottom of your tank. If it's been sitting a while you could have 1/4" of water on the bottom and not pick any up with a siphon hose. Where did that original sample come from? And was the container clean?
My buddy came over and heated up my spark plug and put it back in and it ran fine for a while, I shiut the motor off and cannot get it to restart. could it be just the spark plug is bad? Why would the spark plug get fouled out so quickly?
Sounds like you're still picking up water from somewhere. Try a different fuel source, one you know is good.
sliverslinger
11-06-2007, 01:47 PM
I changed tanks only to find out that the other one was dry. Got to go and get some more gas. The second sample I had I let sit overnight and by morning it was all cloudy also. I poured it out slowly only to find a white milky substace on the bottom. "WATER", I am getting rid of my metal cans an I am going to find another plastic one. So If anyone needs a metal gas can I have 2 of them I will give away.
sliverslinger
11-06-2007, 01:52 PM
beings I only have 1 tank right now, is there a ay to runs 2 lines from that one tank? I am going to use my 5 gallon plastic emergency can to refill the tank when empty.
sliverslinger
11-06-2007, 02:17 PM
I dont have a compression tester. How else can I check it?
I think you've identified the problem. The engine will not run with water in the gas.
sliverslinger
11-08-2007, 02:17 PM
I just went out and hooked up fresh gas to it and it fired right up. Dang metal tanks anyway.