Nets in main river

[Firedog]

images/icons/mad.gif images/icons/mad.gif cant f***** beleive this. I guess I will wait a while longer to start chasing upriver brights in the gorge. images/icons/mad.gif

Oregon Department of Fish and Wildlife
Internet: www.dfw.state.or.us (http://www.dfw.state.or.us)

For Immediate Release August 17, 2001

Columbia River Commercial Salmon Seasons Set
Seasons Begin Monday Evening

VANCOUVER, Wash. - Oregon and Washington fishery managers Friday established commercial salmon fishing seasons for non-Indians in the Columbia River below Bonneville Dam and for treaty Indians between Bonneville and McNary dams that take advantage of healthy returns of fall chinook.
Fishery managers from the Oregon Department of Fish and Wildlife (ODFW) and the Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife (WDFW) meet as the Columbia River Compact throughout the year to establish and monitor commercial and sport fishing seasons in the river.
Fish harvested during the commercial seasons are sold in markets and restaurants throughout the Pacific Northwest.
A season for non-Indian commercial fishers will occur near Portland nightly Aug. 20 - 23 from 8 p.m. to 6 a.m. from the I-205 Bridge upstream to Beacon Rock. The gill-net fishery will target the "upriver bright" fall chinook run, which is expected to number about 180,000 fish. A total of 5,000 to 8,000 chinook and 200-400 sturgeon are expected to be landed. Nets are restricted to 9-inch minimum mesh size to reduce the handling of steelhead.
The treaty Indian fall fishery will begin 6 a.m. on Aug 28 and will continue until 6 p.m. Sept. 1. An Indian fishery was also set between 6 a.m., Sept. 4 to 6 p.m., Sept. 8. This fishery is expected to catch about 18,100 chinook and 6,100 steelhead. Members of the public may buy treaty Indian-caught salmon and steelhead during the open commercial seasons.
Another Columbia River Compact hearing is scheduled for 1 p.m., Sept. 7 at the Water Resources Education Center in Vancouver, Wash. to update salmon and steelhead stock staus and consider additional non-Indian and treaty Indian commercial seasons.
The Compact also established commercial salmon seasons to open Sept. 4 in Youngs Bay near Astoria and several other off-channel sites near the Oregon and Washington shores between Tongue Point and Skamokawa, Wash.
All Columbia River recreational and commercial salmon and steelhead seasons are focused on healthy stocks of fish. Impacts to fish stocks listed as threatened or endangered under the federal Endangered Species Act (ESA) are minimized to the extent possible. As the federal agency charged with carrying out the provisions of the ESA, the National Marine Fisheries Service (NMFS) approves all fisheries.
More information regarding Columbia River salmon and steelhead stock status and fisheries is available on the ODFW website at www.dfw.state.or.us/ODFWhtml/InfoCntrFish/InterFish/Index.html. (http://www.dfw.state.or.us/ODFWhtml/InfoCntrFish/InterFish/Index.html.)

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[Deleted User]

I-205 bridge to Beacon Rock? That's a new area for them isn't it? We'll this sucks! In fact I'm so PO'd off now that I'm not going to say anything except **** all gillnetters!!!!!!!
Stew

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[Deleted User]

This is classic....

"All Columbia River recreational and commercial salmon and steelhead seasons are focused on healthy stocks of fish. Impacts to fish stocks listed as threatened or endangered under the federal Endangered Species Act (ESA) are minimized to the extent possible. "

Sport fisherman catch and release wild fish. Gillnets don't differentiate between healthy stocks or endangered runs. Who are they trying to kid?

[Mrdorkfish]

Perfect ! My vacation starts Aug.27 images/icons/grin.gif

[Nanook]

BAN ALL NETS!

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[Jennie@ifish]

I really believe that we would all get more attention if we could leave expletives out of our conversation when discussing this and other heated issues.
Not one of those words listed above tell me anything except that you are angry.
It is my belief that when you resort to emotional expletives, it makes us look not as educated as we could be.
Face it, we have a stereo type as fisher people and I for one, would like to lose it.
Part of the reason the commercials have so much weight is their unity.
Appearing educated while fighting issues such as these, we too, could make a big difference, collectively.
Also, there is the rule on ifish that words such as these are not now, or never allowed... Just a reminder...
Jen

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[Jennie@ifish]

It is a VERY big deal to me... But I would rather do something about it then to cuss about it.
Jen

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[Deleted User]

Anger and indignation at an issue that strikes at the very core of all we stand for is okay as long as it is followed by action! I do both! I've circulated petitions to make steelhead a game fish among other things. So hell yes I cuss about it because it makes me angry but I also do something about it too!
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[Mrdorkfish]

Hate me..slam me...ignore me, whatever images/icons/rolleyes.gif The nets don't bother me in the least....There are SO many fish this year to go around i get to fish...none of this open it up...close it down...open it up again. Enough for everyone....and if you think about it...LOTS of people are working because of this. One less person to break into your rig while you are out fishing. While everyone else is out there STEWINGabout this i'll be dipping my net to get the fish slime off images/icons/grin.gif

Have a great day! images/icons/wink.gif

Mrdorkfish

[FishinMission]

If I'm not mistaken, and I DON'T think I am on this one, there HAS been netting in this area before. Seems like it was bout 10 years ago tho. It was from I-205 to Beacon Rock..I think... with a no-nets zone in the Washougal area. Anybody else out there remember?? Don't get me wrong here..I'm not an advocate of gill nets...I hate that whole situation. All I remember about that fishery was...once the nets were in...you might just as well get them "Honey-Do's" done. I agree with your "Gillnet Philosophy" Bigtstew, but I'm pretty sure you're wrong saying they've never netted that area before. Sorry you weren't along today...It was a good day!!!

[Fin]

FM...you're right. The gillnets have been in the Columbia above I-205, and yes it was about ten years ago. So many were at Washougal, the parking lot was almost full.

[dawhunt]

I live and fish out of washougal,Wa.,and the nets are in the river every year up here both spring and fall.I had to dodge the nets last fall and again this spring.If there is fish in the river the nets WILL be in the river.I did everything,I could last year from getting 15 petitions filled and donateing money for the last election we had to try and get the nets out.Again it passed by a major amount in clark county but failed in The seattle area and the cathlamet area and eastern and central washington(where they don't have a clue about the damage the nets do).All they saw was TV commercials telling how the poor gillnetters need to fish to support there starveing families and send there kids to school.In the seattle area and spokane area and central wa. area they wouldn't even show on the TV the anti-net commercials in fact, I don't believe they even showed it here.Thats the kind of power the netters have and thats what you guys in ore. will be up against too.Big business supports the nets includeing Newspaper and radio and TV !!!!.I also think part of the reason it failed over here is a lot of people thought we wanted to get non-indian netters out and leave the fish just for the indians, the fact is we can't do anything about the the indians thats up to our chicken$--- Goverment and there afraid of them !!!If there is anyone thing,I agree on fully its BAN ALL NETS !!! I have seen all the dead fish Salmon and Steelhead floating down the river that THE NETTERS EITHER LOST OR THREW BACK IN,once in the gillnets there dead period !!! I really hope these new nets work at least there won't be a lot of dead fish floating down the river anymore. There is no need for the gillnetters with all the farm raised fish now being sold in the stores.GET THE NETS OUT OF OUR RIVERS !!! images/icons/frown.gif images/icons/frown.gif
Bob Dawson

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[DF]

The waters low,
Its to warm
Fishing sucks
AND THE NETS ARE MAKING IT WORSE
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nothing else to do today for me but complain.

[sahd]

I aggree with Jan on the expletives. And I aggree with her on uniting ourselves. I just don't know how we should go about doing that or better yet, what can I do to help us come to that end.

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[Deleted User]

Well Jennie it's apparently not as big an issue with you as it is with some of the rest of us. As long as I've lived here I've never seen nets in the river above Longview and now they are nearly in Portland. If there were gillnets in Tillamook Bay would you feel any different? Commercial netters are united all right....united in their greed and disregard for the resource that they put very little money into. So I guess the price of salmon in Fred Meyer will go down a little, wow what a deal.
Stew


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[Crusin]

If letting the Indians use nets on the rivers is supposed to be some sort of native rights, shouldnt they be required to build there nets like there forefathers did and use canoes instead of jet boats?

[Joe Schwab]

Eeeasy Bigstew, calm down now, I know how you feel. Just for perspective the nets have been in above Washougal for over 30 years. There have been years when they were not allowed and the runs were down. But trust me they have been there. Once we even had fishwheels below Cascade Locks but thank god they were outlawed. Doesnt make it any easier to swallow though does it? At the risk of getting drawn and quartered I will make one more stand for the Indian side of the question. Say what you will about gillnets, I hate them as much as anyone but I will not condemn the Indians for using them. They have never been properly compensated for their loss of fishing sites at Celilo and Cascade Locks and other places on the river. They are also one of the main reasons we are experiencing record HATCHERY runs of fish in the Columbia. If we listened to our illustrious governor, Outdoor John and his friends at Trout Unlimited we would all be flyfishing for C&R species and all hatcheries would be closed. Indians have the same right to use advancing technology as we do. Remember, we showed them the way. I still advocate the extinction of gillnets but as long as lower river salmon chokers are allowed to use them I cant drum up strong resentment to the Indian fishery. Remember, the lower river gets first crack at the fish. More numbers for them means more numbers for lower river users. Come on over to Tillamook Bay and I'll take you fishing where there are no gillnets. images/icons/grin.gif images/icons/grin.gif images/icons/grin.gif

[Krome Brite]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Jennie:
Also, there is the rule on ifish that words such as these are now allowed... Just a reminder...<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Jennie, this is just a typo isn't it? images/icons/shocked.gif

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[Jennie@ifish]

Yes, it is a typo that I didn't catch! Woops!
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Funny, huh?
Anyway, the rules are the rules. Some people just stare me in the face and break the rules anyway....
That's life.
Jen

[Nanook]

Indian rights are one thing, the current nets are quite another, especially since the counts are climbing, rain is coming and the water temp is down. This week will be a bust because of it. images/icons/mad.gif

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[Deleted User]

Now that I think about it Joe you're right about the nets above I-5, I guess too many years working around aluminum has destroyed a few brain cells.... images/icons/grin.gif The tribal netting thing is frustrating to me because netting for subsistance and ceramonial purpose is one thing.Selling out of the back of a pick-up at Cascade Locks is something different. No doubt that the tribes has been ripped-off over the years but this "In your face" I'll do whatever I want and screw the resource attitude by some of them is hard to take.

Hey how about C&R on Tillamook Bay.....just kidding Capt. images/icons/grin.gif
Stew

[THE REEL HEY_YALL]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR> Hate me..slam me...ignore me, whatever The nets don't bother me in the least....There are SO many fish this year to go around i get to fish...none of this open it up...close it down...open it up again. Enough for everyone....and if you think about it...LOTS of people are working because of this. One less person to break into your rig while you are out fishing. While everyone else is out there STEWINGabout this i'll be dipping my net to get the fish slime off
Have a great day!

Mrdorkfish

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You have a great year this year. Take as many pictures as you possibly can. Put those pictures in photo albums with a cute story accompanying the photo as well because I want to hear you say there is a plethora in 3 years.

They will open these runs up to commerical netters and tribal netters now, but don't be surprised if they over-guesstimated the amount of fish, etc.

With the low water and dams choking the river out, enjoy your grown-up fish now because the smolt are taking it in the poop chute.

The Columbia River is the only inland body of water that allows commercial netters in the U.S. I, for one, am a big advocate of removing these nets. We get the commercial guys out first, then we deal with the tribal netters. images/icons/mad.gif

With the commercial netters out, hopefully Tribal Netters will fill their quotas faster and get the nets off the water faster. Buuutttt, you know all they would do is receive more days to net since we have these "enormous" fish runs. images/icons/rolleyes.gif Funny thing....how come the Cowlitz is suffering and we have this banner year?

[Nanook]

You go boy Yall!! Some are asleep at the helm. images/icons/grin.gif

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[Deleted User]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Mrdorkfish:
Hate me..slam me...ignore me, whatever images/icons/rolleyes.gif The nets don't bother me in the least....
Mrdorkfish<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Ignorance is bliss Yeah dork enjoy the windfall of fish. Wait until there is a year when there aren't a 10th as many fish going up the river and see if the nets bother you then.
Stewing about the dumb things people say

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[Firedog]

With the warm water this year the down years are coming. The smolts are taking it in the *** as Hey Ya all said. Then let us know how you feel about the nets still getting there share in a few years when the young fish from this year are coming back, what there is of them. Ignorance is Bliss. Netting isnt a livlihood anymore, it is a hobby for most! I am Stewing also! If you have ever fished the columbia before and after the nets go in you know that it is almost pointless to be on the water during netting.

[Jennie@ifish]

Yeah, but Mr Dorkfish is handsome!
Jen

[Nanook]

Continue to look out the window and STEW about it. Forest was handsome too! images/icons/grin.gif

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