T-Bay Sand Shrimp -You won't believe this one

[ssteelheadsteve]

Did you know that the largest Bait Co. in the region gets NO Shrimp from Tillamook Bay ?
Reason Given ?

PUMPED OUT/Not Available/
Good thing those fish that rear and pass through the bay would NEVER eat a sand shrimp.If they did they might miss them.
Now for fun and games: how many of you would like to bet me that Fish & Feathers does not allow the dumping of 24D or like substance to be dumped in to the Bay ? After you pay me you can call DEQ and ask to see the permits that allow the dumping of Sand Shrimp Killing Agents into T-Bay.You remember the DEQ ? The people who are responsible for issuing pollution permits.Not stopping pollution.
WHY do people want to kill the Shrimp ?
Because they dig around the oysters. The oysters sink and die.How much agent orange does the state let folks put in to the Bay per year. 5 gal ? 500 gal. ? 2,000 gal. ?
5,000 gal. ? 10,000 gal ? Hint...Guess High
Oyster Growers.. Your friends in Tillamook Bay.I think NOT.And you eat those oyster don't you ? Say AH

[Pete]

Gee Steve, isn't TBay part of the national estuary research and protection project? Isn't that an EPA thing?

NEP Web Page (http://www.epa.gov/owow/estuaries/nep.html)

Tillamook Bay NEP Project (http://www.co.tillamook.or.us/gov/estuary/tbnep/nephome.html)

[GoFish]

Your right, I can't believe it!!!
Can anybody offer substantiation of this? How about it, Capt. & Marie? Your down there aren't you? My personal opinion of DEQ is that it is the biggest hoax that Oregon has to offer. I get a kick out of all the talk about how environmentally concious this state is while at the same time there is a Superfund site in downtown Portland harbor, the Willamette River has deformed fish, any time it rains (which almost never happens, right?)everyone is warned not to touch the water, don't eat the fish, etc. Polluters all over the state have gotten the blind eye from from the DEQ forever. The only thing I can't accuse them of is being a lobbyist for industrial polluters, but I wouldn't be suprised if someone else did.

DEQ....The shame of Oregon. images/icons/mad.gif


(Does it seem like this is a "hot-button" topic for me?)

[KilgoreTrout]

My DEQ story. I moved to Oregon a little over a year ago and had to get my 1991 F-150 to pass the DEQ test. I naively drove over to the DEQ test area and low and behold my truck fails. The pamplet says I probably need to replace the the spark plugs & distributor. So I do that and it still fails. I take it to a repair place and they replace my exhaust gas regulator valve and retest. Still fails. Finally, the repair place detunes my timing making the truck run sluggishly but low and behold it Passes!!! After it passes I have them return the timing to the proper setting to make the truck run right. Bottom line is about 7 trips to DEQ, $450 dollars in parts and about 10 hours of my time wasted and I don't really think my truck polluted any less than when I started the whole ordeal.

Dave

[Hookset]

If the oyster growers are purposely dumping 24D to rid the bay of sand shrimp, something is very wrong with the system. This really STINKS!! images/icons/mad.gif

What puzzles me is this. When I purchased sand shrimp in Astoira earlier his summer, the shrimp were smaller then usual. When I asked about the small shrimp, they told me they came from Tillmook bay. I've also seen boats on the flats, thought they were pumping shrimp. Are there shrimp or no shrimp in T-Bay?

Dumping any chemical into an estuary is wrong, very wrong. Will the DEQ release all the permit holders by name? If this is for real, the public has been snookerd.

Gregg

[Bait O' Eggs]

I had nearly the same situation with a 1990 honda civic that would not pass. I did several things to tune it up and it would not even come close to passing. images/icons/frown.gif I was getting on a first name basis with the tester.

While at NAPA getting more parts for the umpteenth time, the guy behind the counter told me to quit killing myself and buy this bottle of fluid that you pour in your tank, It was like a fuel additive. The pint bottle was about $8 but it said if you didnt pass our local DEQ test after running one tank of fuel, they would reimburse you 108% of what you paid.

I poured the fluid in the tank, drove about 15 miles and pulled into DEQ later the same day and passed first try. Did the same thing on my 1990 Chev pickup a year later.

Best $8 I ever spent. images/icons/shocked.gif

Now I just drive a diesel that weighs so much it doesnt have to be tested. images/icons/wink.gif To be an American is so great. images/icons/tongue.gif


hookset - There are sandshrimp in T-Bay. I have pumped them and they are not all little. I know a guy who pumps them commercially and I have seen him leaving the dock at Garibaldi with buckets of shrimp. I dont know where else he pumps, but thought he only worked T-bay. I have also seen commercial pumpers working Netarts bay for mud shrimp.

[ 08-03-2001: Message edited by: Bait O' Eggs ]

[ssteelheadsteve]

8/03/01
Thanks to Pete
Called the T_Bay Estuary Protection folks and they are under the impression that Sevin (carbryal) may not be placed in the waters of the state.They said the ban was recent and they would get back to me with the date the ban went into effect.Someone should tell the oyster growers.
Oyster growers tell me they can not survive without the use of sevin or like chemical.Oyster growers pay the state to use the land they grow on.They are well orgnized and a political force.T-Bay Protection folks tell me that it is ok to use Sevin in Washington waters.Willapa Bay is where most of your Sand shrimp come from these days.D&G flys them in from Canada.Amazing EH ?

[Pete]

Steve, keep us informed about your findings. It would truly be tragic if the sevin thing turns out true. Worth getting some folks upset about.

...and hey, shouldn't you be guiding B10?

[blast and cast]

Just for information,
Sevin is a carbaryl insecticide (kills bugs). Agent orange was a 50:50 mixture of 2,4-D and 2,4,5,-T and was a herbicide (kills plants). I do not know if Sevin is used in T-bay, but for the record it is in no way related to agent orange or the compounds used in agent orange.

[Captain and Marie]

Heres what I know. Several years ago an Agent from I believed was from the DEQ came to talk with me. He asked me if I knew anyone using chemicals to kill sand shrimp in Tillamook Bay.

He said (bac then) that it was against the law.

I told him that Ive only heard rumors that the oyster growers used poison. Never actually saw anyone do it.

But since 1989 we have seen a HUGE growth spert in the sand shrimp populations in T-Bay.

We are now pumping Tillamook Bay for sand shrimp. No real huge quantities tho. And depending on where you go, you can harvest some nices ones. But we go after small sand shrimp for the perch fishermen.

Thats all I know.

Thanks,
Marie
Tillamook Bait Company www.tillamookbait.com (http://www.tillamookbait.com) images/icons/smile.gif

[Joe Schwab]

This type of information is what is going to cause Ifish to fall to the level of National Inquirer. Anyone can print anything someone else tells them and it does not have to be factual. These rumors and they are rumors have been going around as long as UFOs have been coming down and packing people off to be probed and experimented upon. OSP has been actively pursuing DEQ criminal violations for at least 6 years with highly trained investigators along with other Federal invesigative agencies including the FBI. The major source of pollutants to Tillamook Bay has been in the form of coliform bacteria contaminating the oyster beds. 24D would kill everything including the oysters. Somebody is pulling somebody's leg. images/icons/wink.gif images/icons/wink.gif

[ 08-05-2001: Message edited by: Capt. Hook ]

[ 08-06-2001: Message edited by: Capt. Hook ]

[superfly]

Here in washington there are very few licenses for pumping sand shrimp, but allot come from willipa bay and a ton also come from a couple of guys who pump up out of langley on whidbey island. I dont think they are allowed to use any type of chemicals in the estuaries in this state, I can't believe they would let them do that there. It needs to be stopped.
Superfly

[ssteelheadsteve]

If the State Police and Feds had been effective in the last 30 years I believe things would be much different now. Especially in Rural Oregon.

I R computer illiterite.........
If someone is willing to tell me how to dl a letter I received today to this board I think you will see that F& G and Environmental Protection Enforcement in Oregon is a JOKE.Much like the old forest practices act. With instructions I will try to find time.The letter I mention from a federal agency eludes to the fact that Sevin is still being used by Oyster farmers in Willapa Bay with the knowledge of the State and Feds.

PETE :2 more days on the Deschutes. Buoy 10 soon.Looking forward to spanking some of these new guides who claim to have 30+ years of experience.Yet only held tickets for 2.Last Tuesday was a good day on the Deschutes. 2 guys fished 4 hours and landed over 340 " of Trout. Strange thing was they did it on 2 sizes of stone flies.A big lunch and a couple bottles of wine and they kinda lost interest in fishing.They insisted that I fish and I got a couple over 20" on dries while draging the drift boat and fishing with one hand. While my passengers laughed and coached.# 16 Elk Hair Caddis if anyone cares.Strange again they wanted my dark Caddis when all the bugs flying were tan. Oh Well.These same 2 guys are going again this week.Watch the bite vaporize.If you see me at B 10 be sure to YELL HI.
Oh yeah I am really sorry if I upset anyone when I memtioned Agent Orange.To me if it kills plants,animals and people it IS
Agent Orange for all practicle purposes.Sniff some 24d or Sevin. Do you think you will know the difference ? Only your Oncoligist knows.
While I am rambling somewhat....perhaps we should discuss the compounds that are used on your fruit and veggies outside of the USA.The ones that are not legal here.Did you think that someone from the gov. was inspecting those foods ? Does most of the produce in this country come from the USA ? Were all here just to have a good time right ? So don't worry about it. I am sure some one from the government is losing sleep over it.If reading this makes you unhappy perhaps you should write JEN and have me banned.Or write someone who DOES CARE and make a difference.This medium is where it can happen..................