why won't people move for ships

[fish_on]

Fishing for sturgeon on Saturday we had 2 barges go by. We saw them coming, pulled anchor and got out of the way. We watched 3 boats hold their line untill the last moment, they couldn't get their anchor up in time so they threw it over. 2 ropes survived and 1 did not, I assume it caught on the barge or it's prop. After what happened a few weeks ago with the guy dieing why will people still push time issue with the barges. Are the sturgeon that important? Are they just that sutpid? Do they just deserve to die?

[Deleted User]

Two words: Natural Selection.

The only people to feel sorry for when the inevitable happens are the ones on the tugs.

[WheresMyBobber]

There is no polite way to describe those people: They were inexperienced, uneducated, ignorant, arrogant, or any combination of the above.

The problem is going to get worse as the summer rolls on because the reduced flows will force more fishermen into the shipping lanes. The only way to help reduce this is increased law enforcement personnel on the water, and I think we'll see that before much longer. Once a few citations are issued, word will spread and hopefully people will get the hint.

[LAYthe5]

I believe that people are lazy by nature, and they just dont want to re-anchor, or what I've seen in the past-someone will slide into their spot, which is totally a spank thing to do to someone. The key point to keep in mind, is that when the tugs, ships, and whoever else ie "commercial shipping traffic" is, that is repeatedly blasting their horns, they are not greeting you. They are trying to do their job, which is getting harder every year due to the sport boating population. So when you are out there, avoid the channels like the plague, because they have the "right of way", it's the law. Just because you dont see the marine patrol, or the coast guard, that does'nt absolve you from common courtesy to other boater's and commercial boating traffic.

Keep it Safe! LTF

[Torchman]

Sore subject with me....
From Bonneville down, I take care of all of the Aids to Navigation....Yes, I am "the man in blue"! :-)
The rule reads "No vessel shall impede the passage of a vessel constrained to the channel"....
OK, I need to clear a few "misconceptions" up..
A. The chances of getting a ticket for anchoring in the channel are NIL.
B. The chances for getting DEAD for anchoring in the channel are a bit higher!
Seriously, I just had a couple by Kelly point, and the Sherrifs ramp...I was doing "My" thing...(which AINT tickets!!), and a deep draft called in idiots at Kelly point...I was only a mile away, so I went and talked with them....2 were cool and uneducated, one was belligerant and an ignoramus.
On my way back to moor at the Sherrifs ramp, Here is a guy anchored EXACTLY mid-channel!! With a Pusher running 2x2's upbound....I pull alongside, and "suggest" he MOVE quickly...He asks "Why"?
I tell him I'll let him know, after I pick up the peices!!! :-) He moved very quickly after I DID!!! :-)
Just remember the three rules...irregardless of the "Regs"
1. "Never approach any object faster than you are willing to hit it"
2. "Don't fight Mother Nature, she ALWAYS wins"
3. "The law of Gross Tonnage IS in effect!"

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[WheresMyBobber]

Torchman

Good to see you posting here. We've probably crossed paths before.

I know the intent is "enforcement by education", but you know how word travels through the fishing world. Can't you at least cite those who flunk the attitude test? It seems like it would only take a few to reduce the incidence of this happening.

Or....maybe I just see the world through rose colored glasses.

[dawhunt]

I live appx. 1/2 mile from the columbia in washougal you can hear the tugs blowing there horn all down from reed island to past the power lines out from Camas.Just a week or so ago a guy drowned trying to get out of the way.Whats it going to take to make these people wake up.They put it on the television it was in the paper and they still keep anchoring in the channel.I see it every time,I go out it was rewally bad during springer season.I just hope it doesn't cause the rest of trouble to the point we won't be allowed to fish because of some M---ns !!!
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[Pete]

Hopefully Oregon's Boater Education Card will help. Does Washington plan to do the same?

[Deleted User]

What you have to understand is that there is a certain level of separation that idiots have with the rest of the world.

Another fine example is the High Rocks section of the lower Clackamas. Every year one of these idiots dies from a completely preventable situation, yet they're right back out there shortly afterwards lit to the hilt.

It happens on the lower Sandy too. It is as though the swift, cold undercurrent is somehow new to the area. Sure enough, as summer rolls around another idiot is lost out there, too.

The worst part of both of the above situations is that county divers have to risk their necks going out trying to find these people.

[D/F]

I dont like this at all. People anchoring in the channel. INSANE I have seen it and I dont like it.. this is why im going into the coast guard so I can tell idiots NOT TO ANCHOR IN THE CHANNEL!! That is my biggest fear is being smashed into by a big boat. I stay waaay out of the shipping channel.. Just ask HOGTIDE.. I have yacht Foabia (sp) images/icons/grin.gif

[V. Green]

Simply put, THE WORLD IS FULL OF IDIOTS!

I used to work on my Dad's 45' 45 ton commercial troller out of Garibaldi during the summers when I was a kid. I remember on more than one occasion we would be coming in, center channel at the bar at full speed to get through breakers just to have some moron trolling on the inside pull in front of use and flip us off. We actually had to put the boat in reverse once to keep from killing one idiot.

Once the Coast Guard paid us a visit at the dock to go over an incedent in which a guy in a small boat had reported that we had tried to run him down. We explained our side the, Coast Guard Tower confirmed our story and they went back and cited the other party for blocking a shipping lane. I really hope it was a large fine images/icons/smile.gif

Anyone who is too stupid to get out of the way of any boat/ship in the channel is probably going to get what they deserve, hopefully its just a good scare without losing their life.

-V.Green
nwfish@angelfire.com

[Capin' Dan]

The boaters card isn't going to replace stupid people. I am very much against the boaters card. I have been boating all my life and shouldn't have to spend the time and money on yet more restrictions to my life.

[hawgcatcher]

People don't change. I remember boats sitting in the middle of the Willamette River at Oregon City back in the 50's when a big tug called the Peter W. came up. This was one honker of a tug. They took log rafts down river as well as barges. Those rafts were long and weaved back and forth. Those same stupid people would not move until the rafts would catch their boats and crunch them. Their off spring are probably the ones that still do it.

I don't think that the getting the card, will do any good. Lets face it. It is an open book test that almost any person can pass. images/icons/rolleyes.gif

[Deleted User]

The only card that would work would be breeding cards. No card, no babies.

[FishinMission]

Hawg..I remember the Peter W.!! It was about the size of most Columbia River tugs..cruising up the Willamette. Pretty tight quarters up around Hog Island!! And they didn't dilly dally around on that river either!! I have to believe the reasons people anchor in the channel is just plain ignorance. Doesn't take too much talent to line up a couple of buoys to see where the cahnnel is, then anchor OUT of it. images/icons/rolleyes.gif

[Nuttinbutnet]

I spend alot of time fishing out of The Fishery. One thing that would help is for the barges to be consistant in their passage. I have anchored well out of the "channel" on numerous occasions only to have a barge come up the shallow side so as not to have to move the ten or twelve idiots anchored in the channel. images/icons/mad.gif