Wind

[Kinebra]

So what happened to the "Wind" thread? Jeni. please tell me you didn't delete it??? I've never had a message deleted off of this board and I'm shocked if that's what happened!

In case this is what offended everyone, an honest report, then I'll post it again! The
Wind River has been HOT up in the gorge early a.m. and late p.m. after the sun gets off the water use lighted plugs it's KILLER!

[Jennie@ifish]

Nope, didn't do it.
I heard about it though. Hopefully you understand now what happened?
I have just heard about it second hand, so perhaps one of the other mods can explain it to you, or has.
Thanks,
Jen

[s reynolds]

Thanks for the honest report Kinebra. How far up the river is the fishing hot? Are you fishing plugs from the bank?
Steve

[TideWater]

You must be fishing the bubble?

[ 05-23-2001: Message edited by: TideWater ]

[s reynolds]

?

[s reynolds]

Evidently this honest report was some kind of joke. Found this info on the "other" board for those interested.
Steve


"This week I fished above the falls and it was unbelievable. If you were to go right up the hill past so and so pay area on the east side of river 3 miles. 4 wheel drive road. You will see all the trucks. Walk down muddy road to the left and follow the trail down. This is where the high concentration of fish are right now. The bulk of the fish seem to be holding up there for now."

[Kinebra]

Steve if you're implying that my post was a joke you're wrong. I will never send someone to "my rock" but I'm sick of people not posting reports on this board. Everybody thinks they're part of the "10%" the only regular poster on this board that's in the "10%" is David Johnson. I've never fished with David but I've certainly gained new respect for the man based on the honesty in his reports!

If I can give an honest current report to this board and the "general" areas I like to fish great. I'd love to inadvertently bump into an I-fisher on the water.

Final note if I don't post it I'm not going to give "special" information via e-mail. That's the problem with this board everyone has the mentality of "john doe e-mail me and I'll tell you about the hot bite" do you really need to post for someone to "e-mail" you????

Sorry but when I started looking at this board there was a lot of current accurate reporting and that's no longer the case, but I do know how to pull an anchor now. GREAT!

[Jennie@ifish]

That bugs me too.
But, I think it is the result of ifish getting so big. When it was smaller, people felt ok about posting where/when/what. Now that it is so big, I think people are shying away a bit.
Too bad, it's not like every hole is a secret. I wish it contained more reports also.
Jen

[s reynolds]

Kinbra,
I agree that locations should seldom be disclosed, especially when they are fragile, have a weak run of fish or are just to small to accommodate a bunch of anglers. A large part of the enjoyment of fishing is in the discovery and I have never been one to wait for a "hot" report to go fishing. I will not be posting or e-mailing my secret fishing spots and don't expect any from you or anyone else.
I have to admit to you that I know a little more about the fishing area that was the topic of the deleted post and yes, I cringed a little when I saw it in print. A buddy and I enjoyed excellent fishing at this "secret falls" when the area opened and saw very few other anglers until a few weeks ago when it became a zoo. We did see some Indians fishing and we ran into a fellow ifisher that is somewhat involved with Jen's site. I started fishing this area many years ago and it has always been closed to spring salmon but would open for steelhead, hardly ever saw another angler and use to be worth the hike. The Indians have been netting springers here for many years. I think you would agree that now it's a crowded sportfishery and so it's no longer a "secret" spot.

With all that said, I don't understand the mystery surrounding this missing thread that you posted on and from the sounds of it, you were in the dark as well. Was this deleted so no other ifishers would get in on this already crowded spot and if so, who holds the power for this type of censorship? I completely understand the need to monitor and delete unsuitable posts or language but now if someone inadvertently posts about someone's secret "rock" this is fair game as well??
Steve

[Jennie@ifish]

Here is how it played out, guys... No mods touched the post.
A moderator did not delete a good hole.

It's a long story.. but someone posted another users best or private spot, they got upset and complained to us, the mods. We wrote back that the disclosure had not broken any rules, so we could not edit it.

The complainer wrote to the person involved who posted the info and he, bing the perfect gentlemen that he is deleted it himself.

The mods nor the admin didn't have anything to do with it. Not a thing.

Jen

[dawhunt]

I was the one who started the post on the wind river and one of the moderators was asked to delete it because it gave out to detailed inst. on how to get there, so he asked me if it was o.k.,I didn't really care one way or the other because I was just shareing some good news with some good people.There are a lot of fish in the wind river if your in the right spot.Last year if you remember there was more then the hatchery could handle and they ended up giveing them to the indians because they couldn't deal with all the over abundence of fish.I believe they said at the time if this happened again this year they would quit putting so may smolts in the river,I may have said this wrong but thats pretty close.I gave directions to where they were catching fish at the other day and apparently someone didn't like it,I first thought that was to bad,I thought this board was for shareing this type of info.But when I got e-mails from someone that lives in SEATTLE !!because I gave up his secert fishing spot,I thought to H--- with it and asked the moderator to delete my post.Its to bad when someone from as far away as seattle doesn't want the info given to some other fisherpeople who live just a few miles away.As far as that goes maybe the people that live in seattle and spokane and idaho or that live more then 100 miles away should just stay away or better yet shut the river down to just the people that live within 50 miles of the river or better yet just open it to the people that live only 20 miles away or even better yet just the people that have property on the wind itself.NONE OF THESE OPTIONS would I like or agree with.When there is a chance for someone to come over here or down here and catch a fish they should be welcomed.This board was supposed to be here for shareing info.not for keeping secerts !!!I don't think someone who lives in seattle has any right telling those of us that live right here not to give out this type of info.I guess you can tell the more I thought about it the madder, I got.So from now on as far as I'm concered if I know of a hot spot or hot bait,I promise I will post it here and there will not be another deletion on my part again.I've felt bad about it and wished several times I hadn't asked to have it deleted.If this posting has offended anyone,I meant no offense,I love to fish and see no wrong with shareing the good news with others, things are hard enough for us as it is, so lets try to share what little wealth we have.Anyway I was the one who asked for it to be deleted the mods,had nothing to do with it.
Bob Dawson

[ 05-24-2001: Message edited by: dawhunt ]

[Thumper]

Bob:

Well said. Sheesh, like the Wind River is a secret??

[OR Coast Range]

I better not see any posts about the Big Blue Lake either (those in the know call it the Pacific) because lord knows its just not big enough for me if I have to share images/icons/rolleyes.gif .

[Jeffhead]

Boy you guys better stay off of the Cowlitz, that's my river and I'll be damn mad if I see you there!!!! images/icons/rolleyes.gif and don't even think of fishing Pt. Defiance with me and 400,000 of my best friends. images/icons/tongue.gif You go Bob!!!!!!
Good luck and tight lines, Jeff images/icons/rolleyes.gif images/icons/rolleyes.gif images/icons/tongue.gif

[Jennie@ifish]

Bob, I think you are awesome!!!

Go Boy, Go! Let's fish and share and fish and share and fish and share!
Group hug!
J

[TideWater]

I might as well add the Washougal on the weekend hot list. It's a very small river and now has many hatchery steelhead in it.

[RichH]

You go Bob,

It often appalls me the things people find to complain about on a fishing bulletin board, such as, say,hmmmm, fishing!!!!
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As stated in other posts, its not like you gave up a secret. I know a lot of people that have nothing to do with this board that have been talking about the fishing up there. I'd be willing to wager that of the 1000+ people on this board you didn't convince more than two or three to drop everything and run to the wind. I saw the post on Bob's board talking about all the fish they were killing prior to your post and it certainly hasn't changed my plans any.

Bob, if you ever think you want to come south and park your butt in a drift boat I'd be happy to take you with. Just don't tell anyone my secret spots
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[Deleted User]

Bob is a gentleman in every way, he conducted himself with a lot of class! which is more than I can say for some others involved. I am the moderator that was asked to remove the post concerning where to fish. I asked Bob about it and left it up to him. He chose to do so while he did'nt have to So I for one say thanks Bob for being a good guy because we need more guys like you on here.
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I must say that I am pretty closed mouth
about where I fish and that's because I was shown the various places while promising not to disclose where they are. Obviously I fish the Wilson a lot and all you have to do is just explore and find them on your own.
Stew

[ 05-24-2001: Message edited by: BIGSTEW ]

[Deleted User]

Hell no it didn't make me run to the Wind, but I have to admit that I broke some.

[dawhunt]

I can't honestly say whether the washougal is full of fish or not,I haven't been able to fish in almost a month sice my surgery and before that,I was fishing for springers.I'm not even sure if there is enough water to float it right now.You do need to know that the river is a small river and if you want to fish summer fish you need to be on the water BEFORE bright daylight seems like as soon as the sun hits the water they disappear.The run below 17th st is always a good one and the run above and below the bowling alley is another.Its almost impossible to fish the south side of 17th st(extremely hard to get down there and a little dangerous) this is the best side to fish from the bank.The guy who used to throw rocks at us has moved from there and I guess its ok to go down there.The north side is easy to get to but really isn't the right side to fish unless you bobber fish as the water really slows down on that side.The run above and below the bowling alley are pretty easy to figure out and theres no proplem getting there,Hathaway Park is another good place to go EARLY in the morning the upper end of the swimming hole,the fish seem to hold right where the water runs into the park,I think there is a small drop into deeper water there.But again you need to be there early.The upper river you really need to fish in a boat as its mostly all private property.There are two boat launches up there both of them are really rough,the 1st one you'll come to is a public launch and you'll need to lower your boat on a rope its rough and rocky and its a rough drift to hathaway park but there is some good places to fish.The upper one by the steel bridge(cross the bridge and take 1st road to the right)this is a really rough launch drag your boat over some nasty rocks.there is some really good water to fish up there but again I don't know how much water is in the river right now.If you want to come over I would suggest you come ahead a day or so and check the launches out and the water depth because there are places from both launches you might have to drag your boats over.If you want,I sort of house bound right now and would more then gladly show you the launches and some possible places to fish unless you live in Seattle images/icons/tongue.gif
P.S. there is no shuttle service over here so you'll really need to bring two rigs with you believe me,I hate to say this but you don't want to leave your boat and equipment alone your stuff might or must liklely will be gone when you get back.I'm sorry about this but thats the one lookout you have to have. images/icons/frown.gif Bob

[ 05-24-2001: Message edited by: dawhunt ]

[Spooled]

Now look what you have done Bob. That guy in Seattle is really gonna be mad now that his zipper lip river is on the front page. Seattle images/icons/rolleyes.gif http://albums.photopoint.com/j/View?u=1637206&a=12525327&p=49133864&Sequence=0

[Deleted User]

I'm curious about this Seattle guy/gal. If Bob posted about good fishing in the Wind and where to go and Seatac didn't like it can we assume he/she hasn't caught their share yet and wants to get their's before they are all gone? I guess that's kind of selfish. If they have caught a bunch of fish already and still don't want to share the over abudance, of would be give away hatchery fish to the Indians and cat food companies from a very well known fishery, well then hmmm images/icons/rolleyes.gif .... (BTW, most anybody that wanted to could likely find where to fish it without much problem). ...

As for being upset with reporting to a large audience about decent but limited numbers of fish in a small river that's not well known, I can understand some fishers being bothered by that.

RT

[ 05-24-2001: Message edited by: RT ]

[SteelieSteve]

As long as everyone is marking their territory the lower 3 miles of the Columbia are mine so everyone stay away from buoy 10. images/icons/grin.gif images/icons/grin.gif images/icons/grin.gif

[Jennie@ifish]

The Kilchis is mine.
Stay away!

[Artwo]

I'm taking SteelieSteve down my favorite river on Monday buy he promised I could bindfold him first, the things people will do to catch a springer.

[SAUKit2em]

The Sauk is mine, just so everybody knows images/icons/rolleyes.gif

Just kidding, y'all. images/icons/wink.gif

[Bait O' Eggs]

I have marked my rivers just like a wolf, so if you are tresspassing dont sit in the yellow snow. images/icons/wink.gif

[Firedog]

I agree that those who think the wind is a "secret" ought to look at the number of people they are fishing next to. I also received
an e-mail asking me not to post any fishing reports about the wind. Was highly irritating. I did remove the thread and have
regretted it since. This was on the other board and the person who asked posts over there lot. And is also now posting his own
info to brag I guess. I will never post a specific spot, but I am always glad to give a general report if someone wants it. The
wind is a beautiful river but the crowds really are a downer, I have been able to catch springers everywhere I have fished this
year so I have stayed out of that mess for the most part.Might be heading up tues, hard to resist that four fish limit and the chance to have a lot of hookups.One of the guys I fish with is up there almost every weekday and it has been great one day and dead the next just have to catch it on one of the good days. Like RT said do we want those fish to go to the hatchery and be sold as surplus or given to the indians or de we want them caught?

[ 05-25-2001: Message edited by: firedog ]

[SteelieSteve]

Artwo
Just what does a person have to do to get a springer? Act as a trolling motor and swim ya down the river? images/icons/grin.gif Seriously looking forward to fishing with you. All the Ifishers I've met and fished with have been great guys even if they can't find a fish in a seafood market. images/icons/grin.gif

[ 05-25-2001: Message edited by: SteelieSteve ]

[finclipped]

Boy, I must be fishing in the wrong spot. I have spent two days fishing on the river, but I have just not seen the number of fish caught that everyone is talking about. I was out yesterday for four hours and nothing to show for it. (lost one) Probably saw 20-30 different anglers and maybe 6 fish on the bank, so I know I am not the only one. I'll keep looking. images/icons/rolleyes.gif

[THE REEL HEY_YALL]

Kid Cowlitz here.

Well, I'm going to be a nice guy and hook everyone up on the info about the Cowlitz River as the reports hit me, just because I'm nice enough to share my secret Cowlitz River to the world. So please, send me an email telling me that I'm in the wrong.....

You better pray they don't open up the sockeye season on Lake Washington because that's my lake too and I wouldn't want anyone fishing in my favorite skiing location. images/icons/tongue.gif images/icons/tongue.gif images/icons/tongue.gif

[Pilar]

Yeah, well this same guy E-mailed me to remove the post. Here it is ......... and what I had to say to him about it. I really hate it when people act like they own the damn river.

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----- Original Message -----
From: Joe @#$%!^#@&@
To: pilar@IPINC.NET
Sent: Monday, May 21, 2001 11:52 PM
Subject: remove wind river post


Hey,
Please remove the wind river post by dawhunt, people should not be
posting **** like that
Peace Joe

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----- Original Message -----
From: John Wells
To: Joe @#$%!^#@&@
Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2001 9:59 AM
Subject: Re: remove wind river post


Hi Joe,
I read it, what's the problem? Is that your spot? It is well known.
Is a four fish limit allowed? Please be more specific. I totally hate
the meat hunter aspect of it but it's a free forum and this viewpoint is allowed as are some others even more objectionable. Post on it and voice your opinion, Joe. Just what do you think anyway?

Take care,
John

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----- Original Message -----
From: Joe @#$%!^#@&@
To: pilar@IPINC.NET
Sent: Monday, May 22, 2001 07:06 PM
Subject: Re: remove wind river post


What I think is that it has turned that beautiful place into a white
trash zoo, with all the littering and ******** that goes along with it,
I can't even believe that guy said anything about it, its not like
there isnt enough people up there already. I wish they would have left
the limit at 2, at times in the past it was one or two and you did not
have all the trash in there just meat hunting. I have been fishing
that river and the canyons for years and it has gotten ugly the last
two years. I wish they would make it a pay area to weed out the
bull****. It just disgust me, in fact I will take my video camera up
there so you can witness it first hand.
Thanks Joe

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Does anyone remember the 205 monster??

[ 05-26-2001: Message edited by: Pilar ]

[Chris Sessions]

Ok, I have been e-mailed a couple times about this post and for the record...No, I don't live in Seattle and it wasn't me who asked to have Wind river info deleted. I don't know Bob D. but I think he was put in a difficult no-win situation and appears as though he did everything possible to try and keep everyone happy...an impossible task! The jerk that did request this must not be very confident in his/her fishing skills if they were worried about not being able to catch fish in a barrel. I stopped fishing down there when it got crowded cause it looked more like a bunch of people lined up to receive government cheese than a fishing experience. There are lots of "secret" fishing techniques and areas waiting to be discovered...just gotta go out and find them...let's go get em'!
SS

[Firedog]

Pilar, I recieved an e-mail from the same guy asking the same thing.

[ 05-25-2001: Message edited by: firedog ]

[THE REEL HEY_YALL]

I know who you are talking about, and I know why he sent those emails. He's grown up fishing that river, packing other people's trash out, saved a guy's life down there last year, etc. and I can see where he's coming from as far as keeping the WHITE, REDNECK TRASH to a minimum. I fished only a couple of times at the Cowlitz for silvers and summer steelies this past (2000) year because of the same reason so I see where he's coming from, but I won't hound anyone for posting about the Cowlitz because of its size.

Ya know, I hear a lot of cracks about southern people being white trash maxed out, but I have to say the PacNW (particularly in the outdoors with white trash) should bite their tongues.

[DanS]

This is a touchy subject for many people. You don't want to shut down the info that gets provided on these BB's, but you hate to see crowds where none existed before.

I don't think there's too many folks here who could outfish superfly on the Wind, so fishing/catching ability isn't the issue. It's a crowd issue. I pretty much gave up springer fishing altogether because crowds and springers go hand-in-hand. I'd rather fish all day alone and get a couple bites than hook 30 fish amongst the Wind canyon hordes.

If you don't wat to remove your posts, then that's your business. Joe is just a guy who will share techniques and gear info, but tends to be tight-lipped about locations. Nothing wrong with that. Everybody assumes that the whole Wind river is well known, and that's NOT the case. There ARE "secret" holes on the Wind, and they are secret for a reason.

It's just a difference in ideology, no need to get all bent out of shape. Everybody has a level of info they're willing to share, and a level of info. they're not comfortable with sharing. It's surprising to me that anyone would accuse 'fly of not being a proficient angler because of his feelings on the info on the Wind. images/icons/rolleyes.gif

I don't think even a 4-fish limit is going to motivate me to get down there. The crowds were too big for me LAST year, and I've been told they're even bigger crowds this year. Just not my cup o' tea.

[ 05-25-2001: Message edited by: DanS ]

[Firedog]

Reel hey yall, I agree there is to much of the white trash aspect to the more popular rivers. I also have the rivers I grew up on and fish a lot still and hate to see what has become of them. I respect the fact that he cares about the river and wants to keep it clean. I think most of us on here do also. The people on this board are the types that he should want on the river with him for the most part.

I hate a crowd just as much as the next guy and will do what I can to avoid them, I am lucky enough to not have to fish weekends but still have to deal with the trash. both on the ground and the ones that walk in. I understand Joes frustration, hopefully he hasnt had to deal with to many doughballs up there this year.

[Extreme]

I have fished the Wind for nearly 20 years. One thing that separates the Spring Chinook and specifically the Wind is how the Spring Chinook is managed. The Feds (Carson Hatchery on the Wind) and WDFW on other rivers have really put the focus on only the Wind for Spring Chinook. Some of this can be attributed to the great survival rate the Wind Spring Chinook smolts have in the ocean. WDFW has really let the Spring Chinook runs die in our other nearby rivers in SW and Central WA. For example, for returns, the Cowlitz will be lucky to get 1000, Kalama lucky to get 800, NF Lewis lucky to get 2000, Big White a 1000 and the Klickitat around a 1000 too. Only Drano in the nearby area is getting anything decent of a return (Est. to be 11,000). A large part of this is due to the low smolt plants.
We all know the Spring Chinook is one of the tastiests Salmonids that swims. It bites well, fights well, etc. It is a fantastic sport fish. This draws the crowds. I'd like to see the Spring Chinook spread out more like they do our Fall Chinook or Summer & Winter Steelhead. Even Silvers are spread out more. Sure the debate can be argued that Spring Chinook historically only returned to glacier fed rivers but wake-up, it's the year 2001 and the crowds are huge. Spread the plants for one of the best fish around.
My $.02
x

[ 05-25-2001: Message edited by: Extreme ]

[HarpMan]

Extreme, it is my understanding that the tribes have changed the spring chinook plant of the Hood River from what the steelheaders in HR started many years ago. According to the locals these new plants are not as good. Returns are poor comparitively. Many don't know the tribes are managing the springers on the hood and not the ODFW... Have you heard anything in this regards?

[boater]

i`l be fishing near the meglar/astoria bridge in august, please if you see a gray wooldridge stay atleast 1/4 mile away, thanks.

[dawhunt]

[ 05-26-2001: Message edited by: dawhunt ]

[dawhunt]

[ 05-26-2001: Message edited by: dawhunt ]

[Extreme]

Plunker,
No I have not heard anything about the Indian vs. ODFW Spring Chinook plants on the Hood River, sorry. That river has some fantastic Steelhead in it though....
x

[superfly]

Obviosly a few of you Johny come lateley's to springer fishing have totally missed the point here, and to the chicken s*%# moderators who decided to post my message and e-mail and were very biased about, you too as well missed the point.
The point of this post is that because of the large run of fish over the last several years returning to the wind, it has turned into a white trash meat hunting ground. I remeber when we use to have to scratch for a one fish limit then a two fish limit and then, came the days of five or six a day, and we thought that was great. well I would love to have those days back. Granted opver the last several years I have loved catching 20,30, and 40 fish a day, but I hate what has come with it. Put the limit back to two, and the state hatchery guys need to pay attention to what the feds are doing there so they can get the same kind of returns back on the lewis, cowlitz and other rivers that are much larger and can handle that type of pressure.
To all of you who backed me up on this bashing , thanks , you know the way it is!!
Peace Superfly

[superfly]

By the way to the Guy who stated I was from Seattle, I have not lived in Sea town since 1994.
And when all you self proclaimed experts head up there, why don't you take a garbage bag along with you and see how long it takes you to fill it up and then pack it out along with your fish, I do everytime.
Peace Superfly

[Spooled]

Superfly. I agree with you 100% about the dump the Wind River has become. I beleive that the fish and game cops that are down there, and they are all over, should be down there with garbage bags at daylight. They should hand them out to each fisherperson and not allow ANY fishing until the garbage is picked up. I think this penalizes people like yourself unfairly that clean up their own mess, but will weed out the ones who are making the mess. I know they have written tickets for snagging, selling beer and smoked salmon images/icons/rolleyes.gif etc. but don't think they seem to write them for littering. I see people constantly throw cigarette butts out their car windows, and it drive me crazy. Look at the gutter at any stoplight and you will see them. Amazing that people will put put into their body, what they won't put in their car images/icons/confused.gif .

I beleive that the way you went about letting the way you felt about the Wind, is what people may have mis-interpreted. I for one thought it was someone trying to say that the Wind River was a zipper lip river, which it is certainly not. It HAS become the human dumping ground that you describe. If this was the intention of your e-mail, let me be the first to thank you for helping to clean it up images/icons/smile.gif .

Troy

[Chris Sessions]

Mr. Fly
The most popular biological theory as to why the Wind River salmon hatchery program is so successful is a strong strain of salmon.
The strain of salmon used to start the Wind spring salmon run is of Idaho origin. A trap was installed at Bonneville Dam, early spring, (1960's) and captured mostly fish headed for Idaho and these were used for the Wind River brood stock. I don't think Idaho is going to let this happen again anytime soon. Also, as you know, the Wind has deep holding pools and more importantly, very cold water all summer reducing the threat of disease. Also, no dams on the Wind anymore. Use to dam the river to flush logs through the canyon. As far as the "Johny come lately" statement, I've been fishing the Wind (canyon and boating area) for almost 30 years....how long you been there?
SPE

[sinker]

I could see not wanting this info posted if this was a small stream that couldn't take the pressure.
This is a very popular NW msg board, but come on, do you know how many times I'd heard of the Wind before coming here. It is one of the hot spots in the NW. I've never fished it before, never even been there before, but from what I've heard it ranks right up there with Drano and Blue creek for combat fishing. To get ticked that it's being posted is ludicrous, maybe this certain person should have been pushing people to pick up their trash from the beginning. Why not introduce some other people to what the NW has to offer.

As far as the white trash redneck messages, let me tell you, there's a ton of them out there......(I think I'm related to half of them images/icons/rolleyes.gif )

[superfly]

Besides having a great strain of salmon to work with, the other big reason why the hatchery does so well is that it does not use water from the river, which can change in tempature and be more likeley to carry diasese or a parasite. The wind hatchery is spring fed. The water comes through the lava beds From as far as a 100 miles away and from very deep as well, that is why it tempature and purity are so consistant.
I am also only 36 years old , so I do not have 30 years on that river.
peace Superfly

[parker]

Here's my contribution to this thread. Two movies taken at the coffer dam on the Wind River. They were taken on Saturday.

The first movie is of some random snagger that was too dumb to realize he was being filmed:
http://staff.washington.edu/parker/flosser.mov

The next movie is of a snagged fishing being hauled in by it's butt. Nice.
http://staff.washington.edu/parker/backasswards.mov

I think I'd have to agree with Superfly on this one. The river was littered with rotting fish carcesses, litter, and packed with snaggers. I saw very *few* legit fish on Saturday. I did see a ton of snagged fish and people blatantly snagging them, though. No one seemed to care. There's not enforcement at the Wind, so it's just a free-for-all Zoo with a 4-fish limit.

Oh yeah, I did see one guy catch a native summer run steelhead. He wasn't going to let it go until we intervened. Grudgingly, he litterally dropped the fish on to a rock and it floated belly up in the river. Once prodded with the net, it finally swam away. Made me sick to watch. images/icons/frown.gif

PS. I believe you will need to have QuickTime installed on your computers to watch the videos.

[ 05-29-2001: Message edited by: The Steelhead King ]

[Chris Sessions]

Yes, as stated earlier, the cold water helps no doubt, however the (Wind) wild steelhead run is still in a death spiral and other rivers/hatcheries/migratory fish, nearby also have the benefit of cold Mt Adams aquifer but have no where near the success of Carson's. What this suggests to me = strain of salmon superior.

[Thumper]

Well, we will see, since apparently the N. F. Lewis hatchery is switching over to Wind River stock.

[MetalHead]

Lets face facts here guys, The Wind is no secret. And there are no SECRET holes if you think for one minute you are fishing in a spot that no one else knows about your deluding yourself.

As for the snagging issue, yes it goes on can you tell me of one river with a salmon run that it doesnt? As for the trash (litter) on the river yes its there and I carry a extra bag for it everytime I go in and it comes out on my back when I come out. As for the fish carcasses just kick them in the river and they go away.

I've been fishing on the Wind for 24 years and I've seen alot of foul hooked fish retained. I've also seen several tickets issued for those fish as well as for fishing beyond the deadlines.

But I know Dawhunt, and if he is willing to pass along information about this fishery good for him. If you have a problem with whats posted reply to it and bring it out in the open. Dont run to the moderators and ask that the post be deleted because you dont like it. This is a fishing forum and all he did was post some information, so that some of the ifishers who dont know the river could go to a stretch of it and maybe catch a springer.

And by the way if you hike to the bottom of seven mile and carry fish out of that hole your a meat hunter too.

If you want to be a big dawg, quit peeing like a puppy!

[THE REEL HEY_YALL]

Ya know, most people don't know most people and can draw conclusions. Well if that's the case, I have to question an organization that will have a member of the board of directors who is 19 and who also has a restraining order against them, but that doesn't stop me from supporting them.

I guess it's up to whomever to draw their own conclusions.... images/icons/rolleyes.gif

Also, I have a big F'N problem with emails seeming to find their ways to the board. Last time I checked, that was private information.

Big F'N deal that he asked for the post to be taken down regardless of why. I bet if he threw in some **** links or made fun of a moderator, the thread would have been closed in a heartbeat. Next time Joe, I would just go that route as it seems the easiest way to make posts disappear.

Who says he didn't ask for it to be removed from the other bb? Even if he didn't, this site gets more hits, or has at least, lately.

This issue is so lame that the thread should be closed just for that reason alone.

[ 05-29-2001: Message edited by: THE REEL HEY_YALL ]

[Pilar]

Visualize a large growling Rottwieler dog.

I understand how some of you have strong feelings about this thread and the place being discussed. Just don't share that with the rest of us on the public forum.

Take your personal attacks elsewhere or you will experience the large growling dog and your posts will dissappear. There is a forum suitable for flaming and you know where it is. Go there.


BTW nice video. Get the face next time and E-mail it to the TIPS hotline.

[Backlash2]

S REYNOLDS-
No where in this thread did anyone call anyone else a name until you. No matter what your feelings are on the subject, there is no need to get personal, especially about someone you have never even met. As for the rest of the thread, the only comment I have is; Joe is NOT the only person in this world to have witnessed, or participated in, a 100 fish day on springers. IT DOES HAPPEN images/icons/grin.gif

[DanS]

Hey, reynolds, why don't you pull those waders up a little higher. Right now, we can still hear what you have to say..............

[whitewaterbill]

Well so far I have learned that this post has focused many...many people on the Wind and that will no doubt bring more people there and crap and litter...........and....Salmon Shark is a reel old guy!

Bill

[boater]

some of you guys should move your wallet, it`s hard to understand what your saying.....

[whitewaterbill]

Sorry.... to all who post here for a post that ajoins boater's....I did not see it coming!!

Bill

[s reynolds]

Not-so-super-fly,
Let me see,
You post on the Seattle discussion board that you are putting on clinics and are enjoying 100 fish days on the wind (my waders are on) but attempt to delete wind info on ifish?
So this means you believe all the white trash meat-hunting litter bugs frequent ifish and not pp? Sounds to me like this was about stingy and greed and not....saving the planet and litter patrol.
Steve

I'm sure everyone else is a doughball but you are the greatest salmon angler on the planet, and if you don't believe it, just ask you.

[superfly]

Let's see here s reynolds, did I ever mention anything about any of the people on the bb's no I don't think so!
Did I ever mention any one as being a doughball? NO !!
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I guess the only doughball would be you for misunderstanding the basic reasons for my complaints about the litter and lack of respect the crowds bring. It is no different than hoodsport down there. If you haven't been to hoodsport, go up there in November and see the crap for yourself, it will make most people sick. And I hope you would think the same as well.
I don't attack people's charcater until some one does it to me like you have. You don't even know Me! As far as catching fish, who cares if I catch 1 or 20, I usaully only keep 2 down there because of the hike, besides who needs that much any ways.

images/icons/smile.gif That is great news if that is true that they are going to start putting that same strain of fish in the lewis. Being as big as it is it could support a huge run of fish, which would make for great opportunity for alot more people.
Peace Superfly