View Full Version : Watch for Bill Monroe's Column tomorrow
Jennie@ifish
02-21-2001, 01:34 PM
A little prelim on the fishing regs
The open area is Bonneville to buoy 10...also will be 30-hour gill net
seasons from noon the 26th to 6 p.m the 27th and again the first and second
of march...same hours...gill nets can't be upriver from Kelley Point at the
mouth of the willamette...It'll all be in The Outdoor Thing in The Daily Oregonian tomorrow.
Jen
SummerRun
02-21-2001, 04:41 PM
Anybody else think that Monroe is mostly worthless as an 'outdoor' editor? All he seems to do is relay some government regs occassionally and get a free vacation once in a while to go on a hunting or fishing trip. I get way better free info from ifish than I will ever get from the Boregonian.
P.S. Trip on an unnamed central coast river rewarded three of us with three fish landed, and two more lost, all on the dreaded pink worm.
WaterDog
02-21-2001, 04:46 PM
It's not all Bill's fault. Rag on his boss.
Deleted User
02-21-2001, 05:40 PM
There was a thread on the topic thread last fall in which Monroe took mostly negative hits. But as Waterdog said, I don't think they took into consideration possible constraints under which he might work. I don't know what they could be though. However, I do have one complaint of my own. I sent him a copy of my letter to the Congressmen concerning the unfair Columbia springer allocations and also a copy of Senator Gordon Smith's reply to me about how he would look after our interests. I requested Monroe to use all or part of these letters to put into his Sunday column back when it could have done a lot of good for the public to become involved in getting sportfishers a fair share. It was certainly also interesting fishing issue subject matter. He not only didn't use any of it to go to bat for us sportfishers, he didn't even reply with an aknowledgement to me for sending this significant stuff in to him. Same with an earlier issue. - RT
OneLastCast
02-21-2001, 07:03 PM
As the years have gone by, the Oregon Journal went under, McAllister went to the Oregonian and we had McAllister and Monroe writing....things were wonderful. You used to read about actual hunts, fishing trips, dog training etc. McAllister is gone and I believe Monroe has been stifled by the "greening" of the Oregonian (it is possible that Monroe is burned out). The Portlandion is now a paper that serves the suburban masses and has lost contact with the actual land. The fisherman, the hunters, the people that know why fish swim, where deer feed, how coyotes kill, when elk breed. But..you can learn everthing you want to know about snowboarding. (Okay RT, I was as surprised as you to see that the Oregonian supported Bush).
I agree with SummerRun in that I am tired of reading retread ODFW reports but I totally agree with Waterdog in that what are the editors asking/demanding. And does the editorial control have an impact on the information that RT supplied?
OneLastCast
Jennie@ifish
02-21-2001, 07:44 PM
I want to censor so badly! Someone! Stop me from hitting the delete button quick! Hell I would have to pay to stand up for Bill Monroe! I'd do it! O.K., I won't.
I like Bill.... guys, come on!
Plus, I get more out of his mid weekly outdoors Thursday "Wild Things" column. Have you ever read it? This is where you learn 'why fish swim, where deer feed, how coyotes kill, when elk breed.'anddddd lots of interesting wildlife trivia etc.
I wonder sometimes, how much control and space is allowed Mr. Monroe when he writes. Did you see the study he did in length about the state of pollution and the effects on fish in the Willamette?
I have heard some things about what the owners of The Daily Oregonian will allow and disallow from outside sources that make me shake my head.
I really feel that Bill does a commendable job considering modern society.
He has also been very good to me and has supported ifish.net.
I pass along some neat info that I receive from Bill.
Jen
WaterDog
02-21-2001, 07:51 PM
I'll Add this.
At the ifish carcass chuck back in November, Bill Monroe hung out with Me, my old man, Jen and BillH. After the chucking, a couple of us asked Monroe point blank, "when is the outdoor section going to be useful and informative again? Cuz it's sucks right now!" His answer was he has been trying for years to expand and do more, but the editors would not allow it.
This was the first time I met him and he seemed like an honest and decent guy. We have no idea what the editors are thinking, but it's obvious they are bunch of tree hugging, left wing, ******, do-gooding vegitarians that don't know the difference between a chinook and a coho and probably don't care either.
Oops, did I say that? http://www.ifish.net/forum/images/graemlins/grin.gif
OneLastCast
02-21-2001, 07:57 PM
But Jennie (start the music..allegro) do you remember how it used to be? The actual hunt? The fish On? Bowhunting in Eastern Oregon? Fishing the North Fork of the Nehalem with Erickson? (pianissimo) now we have the flight of the chickadees, the proper suet, ODFW reports, the boaters registration.
Bill does a good job considering Modern Society???
Again we continue our battle to mediocrity.
OneLastCast
Allen Thomas is the best Outdoor editor. He writes for the Columbian newspaper and attends most of the meetings that impact the Columbia River sport fishing areas.
One last cast... Do you happen to be a musician?? Because I play drums in the St. Helens High School band and all those words sound so familiar http://www.ifish.net/forum/images/graemlins/grin.gif
Kind of off topic but ohhh well
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A bad day fishing is better than a good day at work
ssteelheadsteve
02-21-2001, 10:47 PM
In defense of Bill I must say that he is an OK guy.His self esteem is a little low. It is tough to be in the Public eye.He wants to keep his job.
REMEMBER THIS........
Every thing that might be considered politically sensitive has to go through the Oregonian " Editorial Board ".
Why would anyone be surprised that The Oregonian supported Bush ?
The Oregonian has always been pro build, hack and burn at any cost.If a story might be offensive to any advertiser it is canned.They are only in business to sell MORE papers.They have never been the friend of the "Greens".
dawhunt
02-22-2001, 12:25 AM
Come on fish get here please hurry and get here,we'er starting to pick on everything.Come on guys lets talk fishing and be HAPPY !!! http://www.ifish.net/forum/images/graemlins/smile.gif.If you don't like it don't read it if you don't like it don't do it,but lets don't stomp on somebody else's right to read or do it. Please !! this is a good board and its getting more like bob's board everyday.FISH BE HAPPY !!!!! http://www.ifish.net/forum/images/graemlins/smile.gif http://www.ifish.net/forum/images/graemlins/smile.gif
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Bob Dawson
RichH
02-22-2001, 04:57 AM
Ditto what dawhunt said!!!!!!!
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Rich H
It's hard to understand the editorial board's meager commitment to outdoor writing in a state which issues more fishing licenses than driver's licenses. Instead of providing enough outdoor information to give everyone an option, the limited space restricts Monroe's column to the point that I read it to know where to avoid.
hustlerrjim
02-22-2001, 08:31 AM
Bill Monroes articles are our only
links with civilization and the carrying ons of O.D F.W. for us out here on the coast
Bill has supported us in every way when we have a worth while project, some I thought were great -he rejected ,thats his choice.
look at thurs paper,there we have the seasons all spelled out for us.
What to do??????
Every body that took time to write there concerns to jen ,write to the editor in support of bills colume.
My thoughts as follows. I've heard Bill mention that fishing was fair to good on certain systems but they had been catching wild fish that unfortunitly must be released. I've yet to read much that directs anything but C&K. Sorry I'm hoping the Portland Tribune grabs the sportmans market share