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birdhunter
02-06-2001, 04:47 PM
Fished the Clack on Saturday (2/3). River was finally up a little and off colored. Did the Barton to Carver drift. Lots of other drift-boats. Saw Terry Mulkey. What's he doing over here? Is the coast that bad? Just one big boat race. Took my buddy and his little brother along to try and get him his first steelhead. My friend had one job: Set the hook if we get a hit. Guess what was he unable to do 4 times. I don't know if he was falling asleep or what. I had to jump up from the oars 4 times to try and catch the fish. Twice I got them and they ended up being decent trout (which were released). Somewhere around 15-16 inches. Twice they were bigger fish.

Had one takedown below Deep Creek on sandshrimp. Jumped up, set the hook and had the fish on for a second or two. Felt the head shake and POP, that was it. The second fish was something else. I don't wanna jump the gun on this one, but it didn't hit or fight much like a steelhead. I'm not saying it was a chinook, because this is really early for salmon to be up that far. It could have been a huge steelhead. I have been hearing about quite a few early chinook though. I wouldn't know because I didn't get to see it. Here's what happened.

We just started our second drift through this hole (I'll tell you about the first one later). This is around 2 or so and I have been rowing since 7 so I'm pretty tired. We couldn't have been going for more than 30 seconds when I hear a noise and look up. My rod is doubled over and line is peeling off of it. Now I'm using a pretty heavy set up for steelhead, 20lb mainline and 14lb leader, so the drag is not set real loose, but this thing is just peeling line. I yell to my buddy to set the damn hook (as if it needed it) but he's looking at an eagle or something. So I grab the rod and wrench back. Well my rod is still doubled over and line is coming off. I tighten the drag a little and it slows down. Right now the fish is in the middle of the river and we must have both gotten the same idea at the same time. There is a large rip-rap wall on one side of the hole with plenty of sharp, abrasive rocks. "Please don't go into the wall.", I keep chanting. Guess what the fish does! Straight to the wall and down to the bottom. Now I've had 8lb steelhead at Cascade Locks break 20lb test on the concrete edges there so I knew I was screwed. Sure enough a few seconds later POP! The line goes slack and I reel in my line sans fish. Needless to say I was dissapointed, but glad that I could hook into something like that. I sure would have loved to have landed it though.

Anyways here is a bit of a complaint I have. Tell me if I'm being too easily offended or if I am justifiably angry. So the first time we're back-trolling down this hole really slow and really hard. We get about half-way down and up comes this sled. He comes barreling past and almost throws us into the wall. Okay, okay, I've come to expect that kind of treatment. He then stops about 20 feet above us and another 20 feet to our left. He and his buddy float down past us while I'm wondering what the hell they are doing. They get about even with our lures and they both pitch out some eggs! Right on top of our lure practically!! Okay that ****** me off, but what came next ****** me off even more. He drifts down another 5 feet and BAMN hooks up with a chrome steelhead. Nice fish, probably 10-12 lbs and right in line with our lures. I'm sure we were pushing it down the hole. So they land it and proceed to do this whole little thing again. Hook and lose another fish. Now I'm starting to get angry. I don't say anything to them (really wish I would have), but I do try to get in the middle of the hole and hold there so they won't keep picking off the fish I'm working on. Well they get all ***** about that and run up and down the hole really close to our drift boat. I guess they were trying to push us out of "their" hole by intimidating us or something. Rocking all of us all over the place and just generally being a-holes. They finally left, but it put a real sour note on our whole trip. It seems to me that it should be fishing ettiquite that if someone else is fishing a hole you can start up at the top and work your way down behind them. Maybe I'm just an idealist.

If that wasn't bad enough we get down, just above Carver, to this bad boil where there's the big cliff and such. You know what I'm talking about. Anyways, not a fun place for a drift boat. Really tough to row and get out. There is some other guy with his driftboat pulled up on the bar just below the hole. So I'm trying to row out and here comes another sled from Carver. He barrels past me as I'm trying to row out and almost knocks us into the wall. Sent a real nice spray up behind him and got us all wet too. Knocked the other guys boat off the bar and sent it floating down river. He had to chase after it and we're all standing there cursing and swearing at this a-hole. He must not have gone up real far becase about a minute later here he comes down again. This time I'm out of the boil, but near the wall and the other guy is holding onto his boat. I kid you not , there couldn't have been more than 25 feet between the two of us. So here comes the sled, knock us into the wall really good this time and spays the other guy. So I'm just sitting there all wet and wondering where these a-holes come from. I mean this kind of stuff is absurd. I wish I just heard about these horror stories, but more and more I am experiencing them.

I guess I just needed to vent. I know that not all sledders are a-holes, but it would appear that many of them on the Clack are. I know plenty of people with jet boats who are great guys and are always nice and courteous. Still, I have to wonder if boats that big should be on a river like that. Again this isn't a condemnation of all jet-boats and sleds, I sometimes fish from them, but they seem to cause a lot of problems on a smaller river. People need to realize that they create a huge wake (I know, I know. Not if they get up on plane but belive me they don't get up on plane in the Clack) and that casues a lot of problems for bankies, drift boats and other river users. If they could just be more courteous we wouldn't have that many problems. I sometimes wish everyone who owns a sled would take a float down a river like the Clack during springer season. I think they might have a better appreciation for the situation. I don't know, maybe. I just needed to vent. I do feel better now. What do you all think?

David Johnson
02-06-2001, 05:14 PM
birdhunter,

Now you know why I hate to fish weekends.

Both of those guys were in the wrong. The first one should have just waited until you you were done fishing the drift, you were in a drift boat and would be out of there soon enough anyway. The second one should have waited for you to come down through their. Legaly, the boat coming down stream has the right of way. More than likely this was some idiot that got a new boat and had no clue on how he should use it.

Maybe the state marine board's new boater testing will help out on some of these problems.

Phish_on
02-06-2001, 05:27 PM
BAN MOTORBOATS ON THE CLACKAMAS

Buds_4
02-06-2001, 06:10 PM
Birdhunter,

There's something about putting 100+ hp under a guys thumb that turns people into monsters. I have friends who are as nice as can be, but I won't get into a vehicle with any of them if they are driving.

Not all of the sledders are a-holes, but all of the a-hole sledders seem to run the Clackamas. I have to agree with Phish On. Motor boats should be prohibited on the Clackamas above I-205 (North Fork excepted, of course).

willierower
02-06-2001, 06:21 PM
Next time, Get the registration numbers of the boat and turn him in to the State Marine Board.
I caused some Lincoln County low life wanna be guide lose his license for running his sled wide open not more than 5 feet from me when I was puttin down the river in my drift boat using an electric motor. We were o the salmon river above the 101 bridge where jet pumps are not allowed.
I can be a real ***** when people mess with me on the water. I call the authorties and let them take care of it.

Nanook
02-06-2001, 06:27 PM
Man, what has Oregon God's country
come to? Where are these people from!!
And to think I started apologizing
last year on the Columbia for being
the only one with the ***** to be
river cop. Shessh. I agree with
the post above.

Rick http://www.ifish.net/forum/images/graemlins/mad.gif

Spooled
02-06-2001, 06:34 PM
Birdhunter, I also fished the Clackamas in my driftboat Saturday, but from Carver to Riverside. I saw 2 sleds go by and one fishing. Both sleds that went by were courteous and went by fast (on plane) which I would prefer being in the driftboat. The sled fishing was also friendly.

I went on Sunday and a sled dropped in below where I was plugging along the left bank just below Carver bridge. I did'nt say anything, but they were holding in one spot with their motor. The distance between us was decreasing as they held and I drifted down. As I got close, they looked at me like I was in their way. I just plugged right past them and dropped in on top of their plugs and kept on plugging.

They might not have realized what they did, but it still was'nt right. If a sled is there first, I would wait and follow them. I expect the same if I am there first. The sleds can move up or down a river, while us driftboats move only down. We only get one chance to plug an area, where a sled can go back upriver and go through as many times as they like. It seems they just wanted to beat me to that water, which a sled can do everytime. I would prefer to think it was not on purpose.

The few times I have been on the Clackamas, everyone has been very friendly. I hope a sled is around if I am ever in trouble on the Clackamas. I am sure they would help.

Sorry to hear about your experience Saturday

birdhunter
02-06-2001, 06:34 PM
Oh, also forgot to mention (you're gonna love this), the guy ..... who got us all wet and slammed us into the wall .... was talking on his cell phone.

DanS
02-06-2001, 06:35 PM
Doesn't a boat that is not under power always have the R.O.W? I'd say these guys were trophy-class pri*ks, as their speed is easily adjustable, while yours is not especially if rowing through a nasty eddy.

What really takes the cake is the jacka*ses fishing on top of your plugs. That is a cardinal sin, and if the perpetrator keeps up those tactics, it won't be long before somebody brings it to his attention. Dragging bait past a guy pulling plugs is BS, too. Judging by your description, I'd say you are IMPOSSIBLE to **** off if you were able to bite your tongue.

I guess my suggestion would be, don't go there anymore. If I had to put up with BS like that when I went out, I'd be searching for a different venue.

Fish on.........

mudsucker
02-06-2001, 06:40 PM
i agree totaly with willierower
people like that need to be turned in and then let the law deal with them.....if there are enough complaints about a certain boat or boat operator something will be done...and the river will be more enjoyable for everyone...


my .2 cents worth

birdhunter
02-06-2001, 06:46 PM
I totally agree with you DanS. Just so you know, I'm not impossible to **** off (believe me). It's just that we had a very impressionable 9 yr old in the boat with us and I had to grin and bear it. Those guys were really lucky the kid was in the boat and that duck season was over. Never seem to have this problem when there is a shotgun in the boat. As far as forgetting the Clack, no way. I'm not gonna let some punks push me off the river I've been fishing since I was old enough to cast. Its where I caught my first trout, steelhead and coho salmon. I'm gonna keep fishing and catching more fish than those slobs ever will.
Glad to see everyone agrees with me. I'm not trying to get a bunch of sympathy or pity its just that the situations was SO outrateous I had to vent. I've been drifting that river for the past 7 years and that had to be the worst boating I've ever seen. Just seems like it gets worse and worse every year.

DanS
02-06-2001, 06:51 PM
bird,

Well if the Clack is your home river, I'd agree with your resolve not to let it be ruined for you by a few clueless goons. Too bad that things have come to this. You're a big man for keeping your cool in front of a kid, it's not everybody that can pull that off. Kid's need to see positive experiences from fishing, not altercations between adults who should know better. Good luck in your future excursions.......

Fish on.........

[This message has been edited by DanS (edited 02-06-2001).]

C&R
02-06-2001, 10:22 PM
I too have had some bad experiences on the Clack with sledders. I for one will report any that cause me or anyone I see any sort of danger. This is not to be a ***** but to get other sledders to police there own. If too much attention is paid to these issues it will bring the required enforcement. Regarding the guy fishing over and through you was it by chance a red willie? I've met up with this ***** a few times. It is unfortunite that a few give the sledders a bad name.

Deleted User
02-06-2001, 11:41 PM
I run the Clack alot in my sled, although I try and stay away from the weekends. I consider myself an overly-courteous driver and have had my fair share of run-ins with speed demons and reckless drivers on the river.
All I can say is get the make, model and name and turn them in.
Obviously, I'm not for banning sleds on the river. I'd rather just see the law breakers slapped with a few fines. It doesn't hurt to say something to them either. If you do so in a polite manner, most people tend to listen.

Hoosier Daddy
02-07-2001, 08:00 AM
Wow.
Yeah, don't give them the satisfaction of driving you off the river BH. The part that really ****** me off is the guy talking on his cell phone. I realize jet boats are a useful tool and all, but if you can't put down your phone and have to haul ass everywhere just to get some fishing time in, it's time to find a new hobby. Like playing in the street, you know, something constructive.

Pilar
02-07-2001, 10:06 AM
Like I've said elsewhere .......... The Clackamas River is for losers. Something about being able to drive up to it before or after work. You know jump out of the rig launch the sled and go. Fits right in with the doughball hurry up mentality that I go fishing to avoid.

A camera is the ticket. Big wake, boat #'s, driver on the cell phone. Call the man and put him to work. The unpowered vessel is always the stand on boat. The sled has to give way. It's the rules for inland waterway navigation and it's common sense.

Or go somewhere that requires more of an investment of your time. The short hike or long drift to the hole really weeds out the thoughtless self-important people that make my native stretch of water so unpleasant to fish.

The bend is your friend!

birdhunter
02-07-2001, 11:06 AM
C&R,
How did you guess! Yeah the guy that was fishing on top of us was a red willie. I know most of the boats that frequent the river and I've seen him before, but this is the first time he was such an a**. I'll be bringing a pad and pencil with me on the river from now on. Jot down those numbers. Camera wouldn't be a bad idea, but they seem to turn off the bite just as bad as bananas.

FishinMission
02-07-2001, 01:36 PM
Well....I fish the Clack alot in my sled, and would consider myself a courteous driver, but sometimes people who haven't driven a sled don't understand what makes them run. I won't go into operation techniques. But the sad fact is there's gonna be jerks on any river. Wherever. I recently took my drift boat on the Clack (scared to break my sled...low water, duh), and have to say most of the sleds "irked" me. Some of my best days on that river haven been fishing just one strech of water, but I continually see "joy riders". I think part of the problem there is ya got some local area boat dealers taking test drives for demo's. I always see the North River guys launching, and leaving their rig on the ramp behind Riverside and doing 0-60 runs in the stretch right there by the ramp. Sorry to ramble, but not all of us Clack sledders are a**holes. Yeah....and I've seen that dude in the red Willie too...did the same thing to me while I was fishing from my SLED too!!! Phooey!!!

Tanner
02-07-2001, 03:17 PM
Birdhunter,
That really sucks that people have to be that way on the river. It is people like that that have pretty much turned me off of fishing the Clackamas.
I would like to make a comment on the first part of your post. In reading about the fish that you hooked and lost on the rocks: I seem to remember being flamed by you in the "practice what you preach" thread. It sounds to me from your above post that you are fishing a diver and bait in a rod holder while rowing your driftboat. The fact that you said "My rod was buried" would lead me to believe that this is the case and if that is true, it would be pretty hard for you to avoid deep hooking a fish. I do not appreciate getting wrongfully flamed by someone just so they can feel better about themselves by making the other person out to be a fool. If you are going to flame someone, you had better at least be honest in your flaming.

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Work is for people who have an expensive fishing habit to support.

rags
02-07-2001, 05:13 PM
Sounds like you had a typical day on the Clackamas with the idiots in sleds. I have been driftboating the Clack for more years than I like to admit and it is getting worse with all the doughballs and their new sleds. I have been a big advocate of either reducing motor size or elimanating all sleds on the Clack. I know this will never happen. I guess you could get their boat number and report them but I don't know what good it would do. Maybe we need to start a petition to get them off the river.

birdhunter
02-07-2001, 05:49 PM
Okay Tanner FYI, I really don't want to get into this with you again. Once again you assume too much. The first fish I hooked on sanshrimp with diver and bait yes, but that on the kids rod. He had set it in the rod holder and didn't know what to do. My rod was right next to my feet where I usually keep it. We've got three people in the boat with three rods and only two rod holders. What would you have done? The other big fish that I hooked was on a wiggle wart! Why do you think I kept saying lures? And yes that rod was in the rod holder, like it should have been. Unlike some I practice what I preach. Back off.

C&R
02-07-2001, 09:25 PM
BH,

I've had that guy run a dive through a run I was fishing from the banl a number of times. He is a complete ass, I would like to know what he drives. If I see his ride at the ramp, he'll get a note with a message. Included in the message about his manners his attention will be directed to the rock laying on the ground. I believe this clown may "guide" on the sly. I hate to resort to this type of behavour but I've made friendly mention to this a$$in the past.

birdhunter
02-07-2001, 09:49 PM
C&R

I think you are totally right. The guy had someone fishing with him in the morning and then zoomed down to Carver around noon and came back and fished with another guy. Gotta wonder about that. He drives a green chevy pickup. Extended cab with no canopy. I think it was mid-90's model. Keep an eye out for him. This guy is bad news.

SLEDDER
02-08-2001, 12:23 AM
Birdhunter, sorry to hear about the crap you put up with, you showed remarkable constraint! I am a little reluctant to put my sled on the Clack, due to the size of the river and the amount of boats on it. I think we have a "accident waiting to happen situation". I will bank my boat if need be to get out of a drift boats way. They don't have much control in rough water, far less than a sled. 300-400HP vice 1 people power. I think a pencil and a cell phone is the answer to inconsiderate sledders, boaters.

M.G
02-08-2001, 04:53 AM
Welcome to Oregon Visit But PLEASE Do'nt stay. I'am Glad I got rid of my sled.I Don't miss the dough ball's at the boat ramp or on the river.Fishing around here is'nt what it use to be.What good is a written test if you do'nt have any comon sense.Any wanna be can go buy sled.And there the one's that get into trouble.If you've Fished the clackamas for year's you ought to be use to the rude wanna be's by now it's not going to get any better.

C&R
02-08-2001, 09:28 AM
I'm thinking that if the a$$ is guiding on the sly. I could book a trip and report him to the IRS, can't hurt anything but his a$$. To the point what would be the best way to find out if he is a guide? one of the times he dropped in on me asked the occupants the driver said no.

BH, I think you are right on the rig but I would want to see him launch first.

? why is it sled all have names like intruder?

C&R
catch your limit limit your kill

birdhunter
02-08-2001, 11:42 AM
Yeah C&R, we saw him pulling out as we got into Carver. It's his rig for sure. Dark green truck and he almost always wears a red plaid shirt. Don't know how you would catch him though. I know he doesn't have a guides licence or one of those cute little stickers. I think ODFW, OSP or the Marine Board would be more intersted in his operation than the IRS though. Is Fishcop still around? He might know what to do. I'll be sure to at least get his registration number next time. Looks like I might be going back for round 2 this weekend. And this time I won't be quite as nice. Gonna take two friends fishing. Mr. Smith and Mr. Wesson. I know, I know. Male bravado. Just kidding. Sort of. Anyways....

fishchaser
02-08-2001, 02:30 PM
I have been fishing the Clackamas since I was a kid fishing for trout at Riverside. I now have my own boat(not a sled) but I fish with and am friends with alot of sledders. It sounds to me like this guy is a jerk and don't let him get the best of you. You keep fishing the Clackamas, we need people like you on the rivers.

The other guy on the other hand needs a HANDS-ON boaters safety and ettiquete course. At the Sportsmans show there is a booth in the South hall one booth up from the exit it is called the Whitewater Boaters of Oregon. We teach safety and ettiquette on the waterways. Alot of people have heard of us but don't know what we do. Well that's one thing we do.

Come by and pick up a couple of our brouchers and super glue them to his windshield. That way he can read while he is on the phone and driving. I have no mercy for people who can't put down their phones long enough to enjoy themselves.

tadpolly
02-08-2001, 06:53 PM
Sorry to hear about your day.First, its not the HP rating,it's the idiot driving.The best behaved boaters I have ever seen were in sleds.On the Deschutes and the Clack.The worst were on the Clack and the Deschutes!These 20 -24 foot monsters are the cats meow for big water and guiding.The Clack aint that big.I'd rather do it in a 16 or 18 like the Alumawelds fron the early 80's.But since smarts aint required to buy a sled then the smaller the quarters the more intense things become.It's sad to hear it but reality is dude is a jerk.He probably is a jerk at bout 10 too but much harder to see due to the size of the water.For what its worth I have a drifter and will purchase a sled soon.Probably a 20 or 22.I guess that I will have to be super careful when on a small or busy river.I'd honestly get a smaller sled but big water requires a big boat.Hope things work better next weekend.Mark

Hoosier Daddy
02-09-2001, 12:25 AM
I'm not sure how this works, but to nail him, I think they have to prove an exchange of money or valuables for the trip. This was on a trip exchange post awhile ago. Seems that you have to exchange trip for trip, with nothing of monetary value (money, reels, etc.), otherwise its 'guiding'.