RT

[nivtup]

So, how is that book coming along?

I am sure that there are more than a few of us waiting in the wings for a first print copy, signed I hope.

Hope things are going well for you. You seem to have reached your authors stride judging by your posts. This ought to be a classic.

[Deleted User]

Thanks for your interest and comments Nivtup. For just over a year now I've accumulated a stack of my writings (8" X 11"), and copies of my posts and member's fishing story posts etc. as well, that is now getting close to 8" high. I am also getting the last of my field testing done on some semi-radical ideas I've been working on for a couple years. I have finally jumped into it and started doing all the re-writes that will turn it into a submittable manusrcipt. I also have a lot of work to do yet on a water reading section with graphics. This should take a least a month and maybe 2 or more, depending on how much time I can find to put in on it. Then it has to go thru being copyrighted before submitting a final book ready manuscript to both STS and Maverick books. So I hope to have it ready by this spring. It will be very comprehensive compared to most fishing tech books, along with a lot of funny fishing stories, so I hope all this time will be worth it. Thanks. - Steve

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[Spot]

I'm sure I speak for all the ifish members when I say I'm sorry to tell you RT but you're going to have to turn over that manuscript to us. We wouldn't want all of your secrets getting out to the general fishing public.

[Deleted User]

Me either! Only the ones who buy the book http://www.ifish.net/forum/images/graemlins/smile.gif .

[Pilar]

RT, working on the Sturgeon stuff you asked about. I have to type up my fishing journal entries. You were serious, Yes?

The bend is your friend!

[nivtup]

Pilar, the Gator slayer, working on a sturgeon chapter?

Now this is getting interesting.

[Deleted User]

I have asked John (Pilar) if he would be interested in doing a sturgeon chapter in my book, and an Olympia friend to do a chapter on Puget Sound saltwater fishing. Yes I'm serious. If you would like to do it guys you will have your pics and names in the book and a base salary of plenty of "wine, women and song", and if the book sells well, a nice cash bonus too. I have also asked one of the jig company owners and jig fishermen to do a jig section in exchange for free company ad space in the book. I know how to do these 3 fisheries well, but I am not the expert these guys are in those areas and I want the best for this book. I am an expert at most all other aspects of salmon/steelhead fishing. I will also use many of the funny & interesting fish stories by Ifish members in a section following the main tech part of this book, so it will have Ifish representation. Cool (I hope). - Steve

[HOGTIDE]

O. K., O. K.,...... so, for a small fee, I already have one entire chapter sketched out for you.

'THE CAFFINATED ANGLER' it could include such gems as,'The Proper Selection of Earthtone Fishing Attire; Matching One's Coffee of the Day'. Or, 'Tackle Box Java, Newly Discovered Super Scent'(sub-caption:It's gotta work better than Dr. Juice.) and ..... on the upclose and personal side, 'Super Hot French Roast Spilled-The Difference Made, My Intimate parts, My Intimate life'

[Deleted User]

Gee Hog', that sounds like it could be it's own book http://www.ifish.net/forum/images/graemlins/smile.gif . Hey, I should be open minded to putting anything from Ifishers that's real good and about fishing, into my book. It isn't going to be one of those $8.95 hundred page paperback deals. This will be 300++ pages; and then some! ... I'm so dang busy, I hope that didn't open a can of worms http://www.ifish.net/forum/images/graemlins/wink.gif .

[HOGTIDE]

Well, RT, it certainly gives us something to look forward to. I am excited for you. I bet we can count on at least 5,000 purchases from ifish contributors and lurkers !

The combination of your personal experiences and expertise, fish focused values and semi-corrupt humor should make very diverse and interesting reading.

[Deleted User]

Hey thanks for the nice comments Hog'. Except the part about the semi-corrupt humor; hey, it's totally corrupting. Os and 'Yall used to be choir boys until they started reading some of my seedier posts. http://www.ifish.net/forum/images/graemlins/grin.gif jk jk jk

[Gooey - Bob]

RT - it sounds like this book is going to be
a real treat with all the feascos (sp?) you have had in the last 20 year that I know of besides don't forget you're a legend in your own mind. http://www.ifish.net/forum/images/graemlins/grin.gif
Gooey-Bob

[shureskunk]

Hey G Bob, Where you been? I heard your computer vapor-locked and swallowed it's ass. Did you get the new binford 2000 with chrome-reverse-strinkassflipnaters. Welcome back!
SSK

[Deleted User]

Hog', I just thought of something. Your "Caffinated Angler" and others sound like good ones for the funny story section. Let me know what you have. ...

Hey Gooey, waz up? You need to read the Muscle car for Pilar posts thread. I bet you will identify with much of that subject! Tell us about you fav cars. - Steve

[Snagly]

Who owns the copyright on posts to the bulletin board, the authors, the board owner or the moderator? I saw this post six months ago on a BC website, but I forgot what the outcome was. I think, however, that ownership resided with the authors and that anyone wanting to quote posts outside the bulletion board needed the author's permission.

(RT, we wouldn't want you to write an 800 page book only to end up doing it for free because somebody sued you for reproducing their submission w/o prior permission.)

Now sharpen that quill and get to work -- Singapore needs another good steelhead/ salmon book!

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The worst steelhead season in Oregon is still better than the best steelhead run in Singapore!

[Deleted User]

Snagly, I intend to make sure of all applicable laws before using posts from the BB. I do know that nobody owns the posts. They are freely posted to a public bulletin board. The ones I intend to use are from the "Funny Fishing Story Contest" in which I said those that enter are giving their permission for me to use them in my book. As for the very few posts that I might possibly use outside of that contest, if I were to reprint what was posted for free in a public accessable forum, and give the name or moniker of who posted it, I would imagine anyone trying to sue over such a thing would not likely have the grounds to even have it heard by a court of law; perhaps even be scolded by a judge for bringing such a frivolous lawsuit to tie up the courts time. However, I thank you for your concern, and I will check out with a copyright lawyer to make sure my take is correct. Conversely, there is a difference with mine. It has been stated that while moderating this BB that I will at the same time be writing the Reel Truth book in conjuntion with that. If someone were to use many of my posts in a book without giving me name credit, that would likely have grounds for a lawsuit. - RT

[Deleted User]

By the way, is there any Ifish BB member adverse to me using any of their posts in my book with their moniker credit given? If so, why? Now would be a good time to express your stance on such a seemingly moot issue. Thanks much. - RT

[dummy]

you may want to check our grammor.

[Snagly]

Friend of mine sent an idea in to Scott Adams ("Dilbert"). Seems someone in his company was responsible for weird and wonderful spare parts, worldwide. The Johnson Rod (whatever) breaks in a plant somewhere in Asia and my friend gets on the phone to HQ in the US. "Do you have any XYZ Johnson Rods??!!" Guy in the US, "Yeah, I'm showing one in inventory." "Then FedEx it right away! Our line's down in Penang." "Can't have it. If I send it to you I won't have any."

Before using this as Dilbert strip (which he did) Scott Adams sent a whole sheaf of papers to be signed and returned in respect of copyright ownership. He and his newspaper syndicated feared getting sued. Perhaps for this reason, Gary Larson never accepted readers' ideas for "Far Side" panels (or maybe none of them were weird enough to measure up to the master).

I don't know beans about copyright law, but I'm going to be so bold as to say that your declaring that you're writing a book doesn't give your posts any more (or less) protection than any other poster on this forum. I'm guessing that everyone's copyright remains their own unless the fine print when we registered said that all posts became the property of Ifish. I'd spend the $350 and buy an hour of copyright attorney's time if you're unfortunate enough not to have one as a member of this board.

The easy way around copyright is to not quote people directly without their prior permission. So my hot tip that a pearl pink 12 corky and yarn works on low water winter steelies can be quoted with attribution (if prior permission is given) or you simply re-write it in your own words. For things like Funny Fishing Stories, prior to publication I'd send every author an email asking them to reconfirm their agreement to use their tale. Cut the stories where no permission is received.

Sorry to sound so cautious but I'm at a stage in my business where I don't do anything on a handshake any more. Everything gets written down and life runs much, much smoother. (The people you want to do business with are also the same types who see the value of writing things down at the outset.)

PS Are you still planning on using my picture on the cover?

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The worst steelhead season in Oregon is still better than the best steelhead run in Singapore!

[Deleted User]

Snagly, I can't imagine someone would sue over using a public post with their name/moniker credit given when it would be pretty difficult to prove they were caused harm or loss, or even that their one post had a significant effect on sales of a book. But you have put the idea out there that it could be done, which in today's world could actually be enough for some guys out there to throw a wrench in the works (maybe for no more than just the fun a hacker might get disrupting a website?); so I will not use posts for my book, except the ones entered under the rules posted about the funny fishing story contest, or ones for which members send me an e-mail giving me permission to use a post of their's with their name credit preference. That takes care of that http://www.ifish.net/forum/images/graemlins/smile.gif . Thanks Snagly, you may have saved me a headache from some persons with dubious needs? - Steve (RT)