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[Jsail]

Dear Friends,

I received this email via a friend in the USA. Makes you think.

In light of the many perversions and jokes we send to one another for a laugh, this is a little different: This is not intended to be a joke, it's not funny,
it's intended to get you thinking.

Billy Graham's daughter was interviewed on the Early Show and Jane Clayson asked her "How could God let something like this happen?" (regarding the attacks on
Sept. 11).

Anne Graham gave an extremely profound and insightful response. She said "I
believe God is deeply saddened by this, just as we are, but for years we've been
telling God to get out of our schools, to get out of our government and to get
out of our lives.

And being the gentleman He is, I believe He has calmly backed out. How can we
expect God to give us His blessing and His protection if we demand He leave us
alone?"

In light of recent events...terrorists attack, school shootings, etc. I think it
started when Madeleine Murray O'Hare (she was murdered, her body found recently)
complained she didn't want prayer in our schools, and we said OK.

Then someone said you better not read the Bible in school ... the Bible says
thou shalt not kill, thou shalt not steal, and love your neighbor as yourself.
And we said OK.

Then Dr. Benjamin Spock said we shouldn't spank our children when they misbehave
because their little personalities would be warped and we might damage their
self-esteem (Dr. Spock's son committed suicide). We said an expert should know
what he's talking about. And we said OK.

Then someone said teachers and principals better not discipline our children
when they misbehave. The school administrators said no faculty member in this
school better touch a student when they misbehave because we don't want any bad
publicity, and we surely don't want to be sued (there's a big difference between
disciplining, touching, beating, smacking, humiliating, kicking, etc.). And we
said OK.

Then someone said, let's let our daughters have abortions if they want, and they
won't even have to tell their parents. And we said OK.

Then some wise school board member said, since boys will be boys and they're
going to do it anyway, let's give our sons all the condoms they want so they can
have all the fun they desire, and we won't have to tell their parents they got
them at school. And we said OK.

Then some of our top elected officials said it doesn't matter what we do in
private as long as we do our jobs. Agreeing with them, we said it doesn't matter
to me what anyone, including the President, does in private as long as I have a
job and the economy is good.

Then someone said let's print magazines with pictures of nude women and call it
wholesome, down-to-earth appreciation for the beauty of the female body. And we
said OK.

And then someone else took that appreciation a step further and published
pictures of nude children and then further again by making them available on the
Internet. And we said OK, they're entitled to free speech.

Then the entertainment industry said, let's make TV shows and movies that promote profanity, violence, and illicit sex. Let's record music that encourages
****, drugs, murder, suicide, and satanic themes. And we said it's just
entertainment, it has no adverse effect, nobody takes it seriously anyway, so go
right ahead.

Now we're asking ourselves why our children have no conscience, why they don't
know right from wrong, and why it doesn't bother them to kill strangers, their
classmates, and themselves.

Probably, if we think about it long and hard enough, we can figure it out. I
think it has a great deal to do with "WE REAP WHAT WE SOW."

Funny how simple it is for people to trash God and then wonder why the world's
going to hell. Funny how we believe what the newspapers say, but question what
the Bible says.

Funny how you can send 'jokes' through e-mail and they spread like wildfire but
when you start sending messages regarding the Lord, people think twice about
sharing.

Funny how lewd, crude, vulgar and obscene articles pass freely through cyberspace, but public discussion of God is suppressed in the school and
workplace.

Are you laughing?

Funny how when you forward this message, you will not send it to many on your
address list because you're not sure what they believe, or what they WILL think
of you for sending it. Funny how we can be more worried about what other people
think of us than what God thinks of us.

Pass it on if you think it has merit. If not then just discard it... no one will
know you did. But, if you discard this thought process, don't sit back and
complain about what bad shape the world is in!

[ 06-03-2002, 10:34 AM: Message edited by: Jennie@ifish ]

[happybrew]

This is why I homeschool my kids- and everyone thinks I'm crazy for doing so.

happybrew

[Jennie@ifish]

That was REALLY great!
So true!
How I would like to post this on the main forum.
:depressed:
Jen

[Jerry Dove]

Jen, that was great, put it on the main page. Jerry

[Joe Schwab]

But it might offend some of those liberals
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That's odd, it doesn't have any meaning if you read it backwards!!

I'm tired of liberals trying to tell me and everyone else how they know better than God Almighty how life should be lived.

Someone asked the question how people of faith can believe in the creation theory. The answer given was "what takes more faith? To believe that this entire earth, it's myriad of inhabitants, it's wealth of useable resources, it's highly developed technology was all the result of a cosmic explosion? Or that it was created by a much more powerful, and wiser power than we can imagine?" graemlins/idea.gif

I defer to the higher power. Liberals drive me nuts.

[Jennie@ifish]

In a bold, and perhaps controversial move, Jennie posts something off of the Anglers Chapel on the main board.
No, you may not start posting things that belong on the Anglers Chapel on the main board, but Jennie can, since she owns Ifish.net. :smile:
I think every soul on earth should read and ponder this.
Jen

[crabbait]

Jsail - This country was founded on the belief that people should be allowed to practice religion according to their faith and beliefs. Our founding fathers knew that there were vast differences in the beliefs of different people and tried to create a place that would accept all of them with tolerance and respect.

In my opinion, our current problems in the middle east are directly linked to unwavering support of Israel, no matter how intolerant they are of their neighbors, and the extreme and intolerant teachings of the conservative Muslim factions.

As for schools, it is not right to promote any religion in a public school without promoting all religion. No matter how strongly your Christian beliefs are someone else has just as strongly held Hindu beliefs (or Muslim, etc). Even if all religion but Christianity were banned in school how would we encompass Catholic, Mormon, Baptist, Jehovah's Witness, etc? What a can of worms!

In my opinion, the teachings of any faith-held belief can only be be accomplished in the home and the church. We cannot hand off our responsibility as parents to teach right from wrong and demonstrate those teachings in the home. Live it at home, it will carry over to the school and everywhere our children go.

Schools need a way to deal with disruptive children but do you really want teachers to have the right to beat/strike/spank your child? Or just the other guys brat. If children have not been taught to behave respectfully and in accordance with rules at home they will not obey rules at school. I say send them back home and let their primary instuctors (parents) deal with them.

As for abortions and free condoms, I believe that they are the better of bad alternatives. Illegal abortions in an alley or a multitude of unwed teen mothers are not the answer. Kids dying from AIDS because they did not wear a condom is tragic as well. Do you actually think the world would be better if we strictly enforced a ban on these things? Recently, two teenage girls entered an essay contest with papers denouncing sex education and condom use and promoting abstinence. Both were pregnant.

Do you really want the government deciding what you can see in a movie, read in a book, listen to or find on the internet? I don't and I certainly don't want them judging what I do or do not do in private.

My point is this: We must raise our own children. We cannot rely on anyone else to do it any more than we could send our dog off to the best trainer then not teach it at home and expect it to obey. If we teach what we believe and live what we believe in the home and pay attention to where our children go, when and with whom, then our children will be armored against the world. They will have a strong foundation in knowing what is right, just, and fair and no one will take that from them.

In my opinion, violence is a direct result of the intolerance of one group for the beliefs of another. The children who lashed out violently in our schools were bullied for years in most cases. I am not justifying their actions. I am saying that when we teach our children to hate by repeatedly saying that our group is right and superior we should not be suprised when they bully kids who are different in dress, color, political belief, or religion. The results are obvious.

The Bible said it best:

Judge not lest you be judged.

Let him who is without sin cast the first stone.

Love your neighbor as yourself.

I apologize for the length of this reply. Let's take care of each other out there, even when we do not agree with each other.

Now go fish and think.

[ 06-03-2002, 10:01 AM: Message edited by: crabbait ]

[SandySteel]

First of all. The majority of this speech is made up. It is generally in keeping with what Anne Graham Lotz said. Here is EXACTLY what was said in the interview.

Jane Clayson: I've heard people say, those who are religious, those who are not, if God is good, how could God let this happen? To that, you say?

Anne Graham Lotz: I say God is also angry when he sees something like this. I would say also for several years now Americans in a sense have shaken their fist at God and said, God, we want you out of our schools, our government, our business, we want you out of our marketplace. And God, who is a gentleman, has just quietly backed out of our national and political life, our public life. Removing his hand of blessing and protection. We need to turn to God first of all and say, God, we're sorry we have treated you this way and we invite you now to come into our national life. We put our trust in you. We have our trust in God on our coins, we need to practice it.

All the rest of it is conjecture that was added on to the speech. Regardless of who said it, I need to reply to it.

I guess I disagree with you. Does that make me a crazy liberal? If so, so be it, you win the semantics war. What is really crazy is that you didn't think anyone here would disagree with you.
I am only going to talk about the prayer in school issue. I am not even going to touch on the "God is punishing us" issue which as a Christian makes me physically ill. (By implication anyone who had anything bad happen to them was not good enough of a Christian is just a sick proposition.)
As both a Christian and a teacher I feel that I have some experience I am bringing to this issue.

The constitution's first amendment has two parts to its religion clause. You have the right to practice what you wish, and the fact that the government can't establish a religion. It's just that for years the born again wackos in this country have tried to use the schools to establish their relgious beliefs.
As a teacher I would never (nor would any teacher in their right mind) prevent a student or group of students from either privately, or openly praying in class or out of it. This is the free practice clause. If what they are doing is disruptive I would work with them to find a less disruptive way to practice their beliefs.
On the other hand I would also never lead my class in prayer. My beliefs are a private, personal thing. To force it on someone else, in particular other children violates every American tenet that I hold in my heart.
I have spoken frequently about different religious beliefs and what their differences are. But I would never put one religion over another.
The fact is that in America we have the right not to be coerced into participating in religious observances, a freedom every bit as important as the right to follow whatever religion one chooses. The law is intended to protect the rights of all Americans by forbidding state practices that "aid one religion . . . or prefer one religion over another." (Note that the respondents in Santa Fe Independent School District v. Doe were "Mormon and Catholic students," so like these Christians I too wish to be free from other's religious beliefs.)

Those who think that no one is "coerced" by organized prayer in public schools because everyone is free to decline to participate would do well to make the acquaintance of some non-Christians, members of non-"approved" denominations, and others who attended public schools that conducted reverential Bible reading and unison prayers in the days before those activities were ruled unconstitutional by the 1963 cases of Murray v. Curlett and Abington School District v. Schempp and find out how they were treated for exercising their "choice" not to participate.

We have to wonder how many advocates of organized school prayer would be willing to have their children "prostrate themselves toward Mecca in the school gym with their Muslim neighbors, hear Buddhist sutras over the school intercom, offer incense and gifts to Hindu gods in the school auditorium, or light candles before images of the saints before exams or football games." It's easy to believe "separate but equal" is an eminently fair system as long as you're part of the group that's more equal than the others.

Of course, we could consider what to make of this speech this by asking ourselves that popular question, "What would Jesus do?" My guess is that He'd repeat the parable of the publican and the Pharisee, as recorded in the eighteenth chapter of the Gospel according to Luke:

Two men went up to the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector.

The Pharisee stood up and prayed about himself: "God, I thank you that I am not like other men -- robbers, evildoers, adulterers -- or even like this tax collector. I fast twice a week and give a tenth of all I get."

But the tax collector stood at a distance. He would not even look up to heaven, but beat his breast and said, "God, have mercy on me, a sinner."

I tell you that the tax collector, rather than the Pharisee, went home justified before God. For everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, and he who humbles himself will be exalted.

I am troubled by some of the things that Anne Graham points out. God has a place in this country. But it is up to each of us to educate our children in our own way about God and what to believe. It is not up to the schools. We do need to bring God and faith and love into our daily lives. But for crying out loud take some personal responsibility for it. (I know you have happybrew)
On another note, Jenny. I feel that by posting this here that you have violated a trust. You make a rule to not post off topic yet change that rule when you see fit. I am disappointed and disgusted. I am coming to a fishing board to talk about fishing and yet I get this. I know I didn't have to read it. But I had no clue it wasn't about fishing when I opened it.

[4Salt]

Crabbait,

I don't think it could have been said any better! Thank you.

[Buddy Page]

I understand that this post was well meaning and there are always two sides to every argument.

There is a reason why church and state are separated. Remember the Church of England, Iran, the Taliban. These are all examples of religion taking over government. And when religion does enter the schools and government, what happens to those who don't believe in the same religion or the same god or even the same church?

Just remember the Crusades, the Inquisition, the Ayatollah, the Taliban, etc. It's always well meaning people that support these attempts to merge the state and religion. Yet it always turns out bad... Try to think of one good example of a state run by a religion that didn't go horribly wrong.

Religion belongs in our churches and our private lives, not in government. Once it enters government and religion becomes law, then anyone deemed a non-believer or non-conformist becomes a criminal and the persecutions begin.

This post sounds like a cleaned up version of what Jerry Falwell said shortly after 9-11. But the message is the same...

9-11 was an intelligence and foreign policy failure, not a question of praying in schools...

Please keep this kind of divisive subject matter elsewhere (like in the mideast...), not here on ifish though (please...)

[wife&3kids]

Our whole country and world is based on the belief in Jesus and his birth. This is Christianity, not muslim, hinduism, or anything else.

[Get Bent]

Transcripts of original interview. (http://www.cbsnews.com/earlyshow/healthwatch/healthnews/20010913terror_spiritual.shtml) Make of it what you will.

[Deleted User]

All religions or faiths are, simply put, just a guess. None are right or wrong. No one knows what happens after we die. No one. Ultimately in reality, religion or faith my not even matter once we die. Only the dead people know what happens after life as we know it is over; so believe in whatever you want because you might be right but you dont really know until your dooms day comes I guess. I'll just fish and try to stay out of trouble until then.

[Jennie@ifish]

It is required reading.
:tongue:
Jenny. I feel that by posting this here that you have violated a trust. You make a rule to not post off topic yet change that rule when you see fit. I am disappointed and disgusted. <font size="2" face="verdana,arial,helv">Disappointed and disgusted, isn't that a bit strong?
Lighten up.
OKKKKKk I'll close it. I was deeply moved by it, no matter who wrote it, or what about it is true.
But do remember, please, I put a lot of hard work into ifish, and I feel that I CAN bend the rules when I see fit.
Mistake? Maybe. But it's mine.
OH YEAH! One other thing...
I mean absolutely NO offense to other strong beliefs... I know that not everyone believes as I do...
J

[ 06-03-2002, 11:11 AM: Message edited by: Jennie@ifish ]

[Jennie@ifish]

I read into this piece that we are a morally decaying society.
I was hoping that you would take it this way, and see that we need to come together.
I didn't read where it says or implies that we need the government to enforce morality.
Some people thought that.
I just plain and simple think we need to clean up our act.
Jen

[SandySteel]

Originally posted by wife&3kids:
Our whole country and world is based on the belief in Jesus and his birth. This is Christianity, not muslim, hinduism, or anything else.<font size="2" face="verdana,arial,helv">Whole world? Huh? based on the belief? Huh? I think I need an explanation.

[FM2]

I'm sorry to see Jen that you moved it back here due to some pressure. There are many NFR topics that sprout up now and then which as a community you would expect because people are multi-dimensional.

I copied the original post and passed it on to many people and I received many positive comments regarding the truth's it possesses. Even though it had been cleaned up the facts are still the facts. It's pretty obvious each time I read the paper or see the news that our country lacks morality. I find this sad and troubling but I agree with others here that say "it starts at home". What I don't agree with is the attitude of religion being personal and private, where does it say this in the bible? As a Christian, God requires me to proclaim my faith to help others and that persecution comes with the territory. I won't succumb to world views as I only need to answer to God and I sincerely appreciate others who do the same. Not everyone believes in God and people are free to choose, but I choose, based on facts and prophesy, that there is a divine creator.

[Jennie@ifish]

Plain and simple, no religion involved:
When my son logs on to the internet to do research, and in his e mail box he finds **** ads, what are we to think?
I think that our society is morally declining.
This is the point that I saw in the post above.
Nothing about freedom of religion, or choice, or Christians versus other faiths...
I was frankly shocked at any oposition. However, some people read into it things that I didn't see, nor choose to see now.
I just saw a need to protect our children by increasing our responsibilities to upholding good morals by any faith that we choose, or no faith at all.
Reality check.
It did me good to read it, I did not see any reason someone should be offended.
Jen

[Jennie@ifish]

I am finding this almost humerous.
I am passionate about my beliefs, but I am certainly not a pusher of religion.
Mainly because it has been pushed and guilted on myself.
My religion is a very personal thing.
I wasn't trying to PUSH religion on you, I was trying to make people think about how our nation has gone nuts...
I sincerely think that their needs to be more morality in our lives.
Almost humerous... but not quite.
Man, so MANY people post topics on the board that have NOTHING to do with anything, yet I do it once, and.... Oh well.
You know, I have made rules for the guests here, but I don't always follow them. That is my right. Just as it is my right to eat ice cream by the computer, but I don't allow anyone else to.
:smile:
I know in my heart that I meant nothing but good. That's enough for me.

Jen

[ 06-03-2002, 01:31 PM: Message edited by: Jennie@ifish ]

[FM2]

Omnivore, please understand that Christianity is not a religion, it's about a relationship with God. Religion requires many sacraments of a church which typically were created by man so there is a difference.

I used to be an Episcopal but when I became old enough to understand I was being taught rules of the church more than the obedience to God that is when my eyes opened up to religion. It's a free country and I respect your choice of belief but please don't compare Christianity to religion, it's a relationship and the bible outlines the rules, not a church.

[omnivore]

Jennie, I didn't read anyone accusing you of pushing religion, just the inappropriateness of your action. I don't see anything wrong with you eating whatever by your own computer. However, I think it's hypocritical to set rules you (who should actully set an example) are not abiding by. We all (well most us) have good intentions, but we're judged by our actions. Fortunately, that's what really counts! Jennie, I believe that your intentions were virtuous, and I agree that I also don't like some of the disturbing trends in our society. Nevertheless, the original post was loaded with blame and finger-pointing, and I think we can do better without such.

FM2, you're afforded any personal interpretation of the meaning/definition of Christianity, but here are two from Webster's Dictionary and Random House Dictionary.

Chris·tian·i·ty
Pronunciation: "kris-chE-'a-n&-tE, "krish-, -'cha-n&-, "kris-tE-'a-
Function: noun
Date: 14th century
1 : the religion derived from Jesus Christ , based on the Bible as sacred scripture, and professed by Eastern, Roman Catholic, and Protestant bodies
2 : conformity to the Christian religion
3 : CHRISTENDOM 2

Chris•ti•an•i•ty
Pronunciation: (kris"chE-an'i-tE), [key] —n., pl. ties.
1. the Christian religion, including the Catholic, Protestant, and Eastern Orthodox churches.
2. Christian beliefs or practices; Christian quality or character: Christianity mixed with pagan elements; the Christianity of Augustine's thought.
3. a particular Christian religious system: She followed fundamentalist Christianity.
4. the state of being a Christian.
5. Christendom.
6. conformity to the Christian religion or to its beliefs or practices.

[ 06-03-2002, 05:01 PM: Message edited by: omnivore ]

[crabbait]

Jennie - You can post anything you want, to any of the boards, anytime you feel like it.

In the interest of brotherhood and peace in the ethernet, I humbly request that you try to avoid religion (prayer is always OK, especially for lost sailors or a hot bite), politics not related to hatcheries, limits and seasons or habitat restoration, and North River boats.

Thanks in advance.

Your humble servant,

crabbait

[M W Sheller]

Hate is an emotion that is not from God, no matter what name you call him. Hate has found it's way into religeon. At this time in history, hate is found mostly in extreme Muslim and Hebrew sects, however at other times in recent history, Christians have murdered in the name of their RELIGION. God and religion are two vastly different things!
I agree that this great country is in a state of moral decae.
I am a Christian, and hate has no place in my heart. :cheers:

[whitewaterbill]

Whats up with Northriver boats....It is kind of a religion...Or a hatchery thing......

JK....

I think we need that race!
:smile:

[Jennie@ifish]

And that, Dear Crabbait, is out of the question.
I will always have God in my heart, in my mind and in my soul, and if I have to quit sharing that, I would rather die.
Thanks for the thought,
Jen

[CATCH AND EAT]

Wow!!! Did a hot button get hit or what? Jennie, as a "practicing" Christian I try not to offend Those I share a table with. I-fish being the table of course.

I am impressed with the opinions from both sides of this table and how they were thought out. Agree to disagree and so on. I commend you all for that. However, i-fish is you baby and I think we should all respect that.

It's ok for moderators to disagree with you. That promotes growth and thought. No problem there, I in fact like it. As to backing down from your standpoint I think you were wrong. I think you should have put a warning out there and then if they read it ......that is their problem, right.

There are many belief out there "religion" or not. Many folks have died, been martored (died for a cause), persecuted in the name of religion as has been pointed out. Remember that Governments have also crushed "religions" and religious belief for thousands of years. What a tough balancing act we strive for on both sides of this debate.

Read into the comments from both sides of the street and try to keep a level head about it. After all we will all face final judgement someday and then who was right and who was wrong will be determined.

Until then live you life to the full extent of your beliefs. Don't cop out and don't give in. God loves all of us whether we believe or not. He loves the sinner but hates the sin. The question for all of us to answer will be "Where did you stand on the sin part?" Only you know and God knows. That is true in practically any "religion" that believes in a "divine Creator". Whether you pray to God, Ahllah, and so on what is important is that "GOD" is your reward.

All of you know that I would fight to the death for my beliefs and that I am saved by the grace of GOD. I make no secret of that. Yet I am always willing to share a table with you, a fishing hole with you and I won't even push a Bible down your throat. I just want you all as friends Christian or not. And, should you ask about my beliefs then I will be willing to share with you.

Jennie, be strong, we all love you and this board. I hope folks will be a little more respectful to your ownership of it.

Peace :cheers:

[Wannabe]

My Goodness
Thank you Jennie, FM2 and others. Gosh there wasn't this much heated discussion when a warm water topic was posted in the wrong place. Praise God and may God Bless all of you who have stood up for the real reason for what we have so much to be thankful for. Starting with this country and how it was founded. You go girl!
&lt;)))&gt;&lt;

[Alligator]

Peace to all!

Jen,

God bless you, and may the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob wrap His loving arms around you. Thank you for standing strong in your faith. Without our God there would be no world, earth or universe. There would be no ground for other religions to walk and in the end, all will bow down and confess that Jesus is Lord of all!

Amen.

P.S. Our God hates Sin. :grin: and so should we!

les

[omnivore]

crabbait and SandySteel: Thanks for your enlightened and logical responses.

We all want peace and prosperity, but blaming others for tragedies is clearly not the answer. We need to seek greater understanding of others and ourselves, instead of pointing fingers. What's so disturbing is some people's need to impose their belief(s) onto others. This is the source of grief and conflict. And the reason why our founding fathers wisely drew the line between religion and government.

FM2: I understand your faith teaches you to practice your religion, and so does Islam religion. And some of them (Muslims) obviousely think that it's God's will to terrorize Americans. Religion has many wonderful attributes as well as pitfalls. But without reasonableness and logic dictating our actions, there are many radicals and fanatics, filled with hate, focused only on destroying the opposition.

What really troubles me is when someone speaks as if they just had a face to face meeting with god and now relating the message to the rest of us. How does anyone really know that God withheld his blessing and protection, or that he has 'backed out of our national and political life'? People should not put words into God's mouth without facts to prove them. Else it's merely their opinion.

I also feel it was inappropriate for Jennie to post it in the main db and then claim an exception to herself. But I applaude your good sense to retract and acknowledge that there are valid opposing views.

[Hook-up]

Jennie, I think you have every right to post what you want where you want.
God bless you.

[wife&3kids]

Maybe I got a little carried away , but what is today's date? I believe it is shared by the world and just happens to be the 2002 years after Jesus's Death. Why not use some dating system other than Jesus' death? If Jesus didn't exist, and I am pretty sure he did since we started talking about him before, during, and after he came -- why is today the 2002nd year?

[Fish-n-Fever]

Jennie
I enjoyed reading this message with an open mind. I don't care what "religion" a person is, it always amazes me when people start talking about not "allowing" themselfs to be ruled by religion and at the same time include God with religion. Religion and God are 2 very different subjects. The main thing to remember before doing this would be..... God didn't make religion man did. God has 10 "simple " rules to live by, that the majority of people no matter if they belive in God or not would agree "for the most part" with. Yet from mans interpretation graemlins/icon_argue.gif of these 10 rules they have made thousands, People who agree congregate together THAT is where religion was born. Religion is people of similar opinions. This country and many others were founded in a belief of God NOT religion. On our money it say's "In GOD we trust" it doesnt say in Baptists,Catholics,Hindus or any other of a 1000 man made religions.
I say if your not willing to give God credit for the good things in your life don't keep blaming him for all the bad!
Once again thank you Jsail for sharing this with us and thank you Jennie for allowing this on your board!
"This reply is my opinion on this subject"
Ron

[Jennie@ifish]

I think there will always be a couple of people on the board, that no matter what I do, it will be wrong.
That's life!
:smile:

[DAB]

Jen
Ifish is yours you make rules and you can post, what ever you want .when ever you want ,where ever you want. For the people that did not like the post no one made them read it ... We all should agree that we can disagree with out any hard feelings. Jen do what you want on the board.. I will back you up with prayer , and I will pray for the ones that did not like it. keep up the hard work ...
thanks a lot GOD bless you

Don Bench DAB

[Small Fry]

Jennie
I say it's your storefront and you can display what ever you want. Jsail is my brother; We don't always see eye to eye but this is a simple subject. I see no reason for anyone to take offence. Maybe some people have a hard time with reality.

Just my 2 cents worth
Small Fry

[Jennie@ifish]

Thanks, guys....
I find comfort in this little place we call the chapel!
I need that!
Thank God for you guys!
:smile: :smile:
Jen

[Jonah's Revenge]

Jennie,
Just wanted to let you know that I am in total agreement that this is your site and you should be allowed to post whatever you wish.
Unfortunately, everyone seemed to read into the original letter a little differently.
Most of the comments that I read seemed to have some valid and invalid points (in my opinion, of course).
Personally, if I click on a topic that is NFR and I don't want to read it, I don't waste my time and move on.

P.S. thank you for creating this section in your ifish community. I think it's great. :smile:

[Eric W.]

For the message of the cross is FOOLISHNESS to those who are PERISHING , but to us who are being saved it is the power of God.

1 Corinthians 1:18, New International Version