Hey Jennie, Cataraft/duct tape

[Steelheader69]

I have a quick question for you. I realize this is your site, so you have all authority to do as you wish and set whatever standards you want, but I was curious about the postings. I didn't have chance to see what was said, but was there anyway to delete offensive postings, instead of the whole post? Alot of times there is alot of useful information that can (and should) be saved for future reference of others. In todays computer age, not all bad apples spoil the bunch. If there isn't any sort of edit option on your part and have to delete whole post then I understand. But if not you should think about it. His question wasn't stupid, so responses (like mine) are helpful for anyone interested in topic in question.

I don't mean to offend you, just wanted to help make things a bit useful and make some hopefully constructive criticism.

Thanks. Jerry

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You haven't lived til you've rowed a cataraft. Friends don't let friends run Outcasts.

[Jennie@ifish]

Hi there,
I was on the phone with RT when we decided that it did not contain enough useful information to merit hand deleting all those posts. It takes quite a while. I started hand deleting the offensive ones, looked at my son who needed help with his pain meds and decided to delete the whole thing.
I simply don't have the time required to go through the whole board looking for offensive posts, and neither does RT.
Maybe with this post, or another one, we can go into the details of what a cataraft is. If you do a search on this site of catarafts, you will find a whole stockpile of information previously written on this subject.
My apologies to those who wrote things that got deleted.

Jen

[Osprey]

Where did the whole DAMM thing go http://www.ifish.net/forum/images/graemlins/confused.gif


Considering that I was one of the people WHO contributed to this post,and was trying to be informative with a little dash of humor http://www.ifish.net/forum/images/graemlins/frown.gif
I haven't been on this site since Friday...what happened...let me quess"hey yall" He's just trying to be funny?
so everyone else loses????
Resposibility is a wide sword it is very heavy and slices in both directions.
you may off more than you think!!!!

People don't seem to have a problem voiceing their political opions on here,and those things go on and on forever,if someone doesn't care for yall's style of humor then post it(he didn't post his e-mail address)he's man enough to take it,
but this feebil attempt at control of free speech......all I'm saying is it didn't ALL have to go.
We can't even delete or own post's....we've run in to this little thing before.....I need a BREAK FROM HERE.....see ya....Os has left the biulding http://www.ifish.net/forum/images/graemlins/frown.gif http://www.ifish.net/forum/images/graemlins/frown.gif


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Row quietly and fish a Cataraft !!---
Release all Wild Fish --<'))>><

[SpinnerMan]

Hi Jennie,

I think it was my post that was deleted, and I understand that sometimes things get out of hand and need to be taken care of.

Let me express my gratitude for this board and the valuable information that is provided here. Thank you for all the time and effort it must take to keep this board in order. http://www.ifish.net/forum/images/graemlins/smile.gif

I did learn some things about a cataraft and will look into it further, I did benefit from my post.

Hopefully, we will not lose any of our valuable posters who have contributed so much in the past.

Thanks again,
SM

[Steelheader69]

Well, I have to side a bit with Osprey on this one. There is rampant political views that are voiced that highly offends me. This is a fishing page, not a political page (though I understand fish restoration is political). I guess after first of the year I can finally get my webpage started and let people be themselves. Since most (if not all)really true and good fisherman are laymen who are on the "off" of nature. Look at Bill Herzog and Dave Vedders articles. Heck, look at Vedder's webpage. Most fisherman are slightly off, how do you think we can withstand subzero temps to fish for the elusive Ike. I guess it's time to mainstay at Bob's again. There's alot more crossfire, yet not as many reg's to deal with.

I understand the not wanting to edit thing. But you have to realize, if someone actually takes time to post something they feel is meaningful, then it's not useless. I understand the whole "time" aspect. I'm a single father with two kids and an ex who lives on the east coast with no support at all. I work as a UPS driver and quite literally have no time for myself. I myself am working Xmas hours with two herniated discs in my back since disibility doesn't pay like my actual job does. Some of my very scarce free time I spend on here and Bob's BB or tying up jigs and flies or building spinners. We all have problems, but there's always time to do things once you put them in order.

Take care all and maybe I'll surf my way back here again. I'm back to spending time with my kids and getting Xmas decorations in order and making Xmas cookies. Gotta run. See you?

Jerry

PS, Oh yeah RT, jigs will be in mail next week to you, just think of them as a Xmas present.

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You haven't lived til you've rowed a cataraft. Friends don't let friends run Outcasts.

[This message has been edited by Steelheader69 (edited 12-17-2000).]

[smilesforu]

In jens defense Hell yall did go a bit far with the duct taped daughter. Perhaps she did throw the baby out with the bath water by closing the thread. There are other people besides us that read these posts....kids!! She wasn't trying to get rid of the catraft information.
To believe Bob's site is superior because he allows this to be posted is wrong...If you didn't know he banned me for challenging a blantant attack by another board member.
Keep up the good work Jen sorry to hear some feel they were sensored when the intent was directed at one.
Tight Lines

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Marty M
Steelheader.net (http://www.steelheader.net/)

[chuck 'n' duck]

This is Jen's house...if you don't like it then get the **** out!!

[Fishen Fool]

Don't lisen to em Jen ! Do it your way.

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tight lines------<*))>>< fishen fool

[fishhead5]

I'll take this board over all the rest any day. http://www.ifish.net/forum/images/graemlins/grin.gif On one of the other boards a guy asked how cook creek and the salmon river was. The reply he got was if had just looked down other posts ( I looked down, way down) he would have gotten his answer. What the heck was the big deal. Answer his question if you want to, go on if you don't. There have been some great debates here. http://www.ifish.net/forum/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif 99% of them go back and forth and get heated, but thats all the farther they go. Next week on to something else. Jen keep up the good work. If some think they will have more fun on another board, It won't take them long to come back here even if they won't admit itm, Os you back yet? http://www.ifish.net/forum/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

[Jennie@ifish]

Os is secretly in love with me. He'll be back!
J

[Salmonator]

You know I hope Os and yall don't disappear because I complained especially if I was the only one. For some reason I couldn't see the humour in using the words date, duct tape and daughter in the same paragraph. And i'm not so sure about the feeble attempt at control of free speech. When you're in town square standing on your soap box and somebody beans you on the back of the head with a 10oz. cannonball, that is an attempt to control free speech. This isn't a public forum, and I guess we're all invited until we're shown the door for some reason or another. 'Yall, no hard feelings... I know you're still lurking http://www.ifish.net/forum/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Well I take that back, I suppose it's public for viewing...

[This message has been edited by Salmonator (edited 12-17-2000).]

[Gone Fishin]

BOTTOM LINE:

THIS IS A FAMILY-ORIENTED, "G" RATED SITE.

IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT, DON'T LOG ON!

QUIT YOUR WHINNING, AND GET REAL!

THAT'S ALL.

[Bait O' Eggs]

This thread is just flat getting interesting to me. For the most part I can guess where people will stand on there issues. The regular posters have created an image and usually dont surprise me. Tree huggers always get a good grip on the bark, Gore supporters quickly point out 30 things GW is going to screw up, etc etc.. Yet, with only a few post to this string, something seems different. Cannot quite put my finger on it yet.

I read O's and hey'yalls bantering and didnt find it offensive. I have to admit our southern friends have a twisted sense of humor, yet I find it quite funny. Anybody thinking they were serious needs to get a reality check. It was obviously a joke. Maybe not funny to some, but offensive??? come on. I wish I could reread it one more time to see if I could find how somebody could be offended, but that was taken away from us. I have a daughter so the best I can do is apply my memory of the post to those comments for my situation and see if I am offended.

Hmmmmmmmmmmm..... Nope, just as I thought.

Maybe more was added since I read it last. I saw the comment about the duct tape and Ospreys daughter, was there more??? From memory it seemed like he was taping her mouth. I cannot get beyond a G rating with that. I cannot make it sensual, but I dont find duct tape arousing in any way, shape or form. I thought he was trying to keep her quite. Nothing worse than a date that wont shut up. Maybe if an emu was involved we all could join in and laugh. Then it would be OK and funny. Maybe some wool on the top of some boots, now that is real funny. And I can draw that sensual picture in my mind real fast, sheep boy.

I am sure as Jen and RT make mistakes with the power of the erasure, they will get wiser in the future. If someone was offended it could have only been to one post that I saw. The duct tape, date and daugher. How hard can it be to delete one post from a string? It wasnt like there was dozens of possible offensive post.

Next time somebody starts hugging a tree or bashing GW maybe I need to complain and get it deleted. That would make me the winner of the argurement, and I even refuse to post the political threads.

Think hard about hitting delete next time. This wasnt buzzbomber (aka steelhead joe, fishslayer etc) creating problems on purpose.

That my 0.02 on the topic.

[Hookset]

I remember the post and the questionable material. And it was just that, questionable. I'm not surprised it was pulled.

Time to move on folks.........live and learn.

hook

[Steelheader69]

Well, I guess I'm back already. LOL. And the only reason I'm here is I had a feeling I'd hear from people as stated above with the "quit your complaining and move on" speeches I've seen so many times before. First off, Marty, I in NO way said that Bob's was superior, just that it offered more freedom to voice your concerns (except in the cases of blatant disregard), and that I'd only be spending more time there. This is a fine sight, a helluva lot better then that rag site NWfishing.com. I'd trust that sight as much as I'd trust politicians. My main concern was that as was said "throw out the baby with the bathwater". I know all about the "it's a G site" thing, but be honest, if any parent out there actually LET their younger kids surf w/o actually sitting with their kids is irresponsible in the first place. I don't use TV as a babysitter and neither the computer. Yes, I do know about kids, I really am a single father of two. Second off, this is the real world, computer or not. This "gotta keep the kids immune to nastiness" is the biggest cause of political correctness out there. It's plain spinning out of control and needs to stop. I'm not spinning off the subject either, once you start banning one thing, then something else will get banned. I'm just really tired of all the games that go on. I came to this sight because I liked RT. He spoke with knowledge on Bob's BB and I heard about this sight that way. I came here specifically to get away from name calling. But to scrub out the post in question was a bit crazy. Unless there was more posted after what I saw said, then I saw nothing wrong with it. It was called humor, and it seemed the man who the main post was slotted against (Os) found nothing wrong with it, why would Jen? As I said in the beginning, this is Jennie's sight, so she can do as she wants with it. I personally feel there is no information that is "not worthy" of being kept if the person posting it has a love for it. I'm a hardcore cat guy. I've owned them for about a decade now and it's an area I specialize in. To myself, my post was honest and forthright. My post itself would help anyone understand a cat and know where to look to see one. It wasn't worth being dumped, especially since my post referred the original poster to do searches on the subject on this BB to find more info. Hell, I've even asked RT in the past to put a slam on a post that was getting racist and ugly.

I really had a feeling about someone posting the "good riddance" posts behind me. I never did that on Bob's or never did it here. It's purely childish, and either means two things, you're either stuck up/well to do type or a bit childish in nature. In my 12 years working for UPS I've delivered to so many people who act this way. Sling mud at you while your back is turned. I just never would've believed I would see people on here make posts like that. I made a purely honest post, I made no name calling towards board members. As I said, I do this for fun and also to see others views and such. I highly doubt Os or I'll be gone for good, and we NEVER did say we were. We said we needed a break. I said I'd mainstay over on Bob's, not totally delete myself from this sight. I have no ill will toward Jen, just how the post was deleted (check my original post here and read it thoroughly please). I am a very smart and well educated man (yes, I do have a college degree and actually went to school to learn, not just party and barely pass). RT would even have to admit I do post with knowledge and think before I speak. So was this post originally. I asked a question and also apologized in case I offended Jen. I actually thought of my post before I posted it. I also thought out this response before just tossing it out like others. I just wonder if people like that are also like the idiot 10 years back that took a shot at me hunting thinking I was a deer moving through the bushes. (Blaze orange cap and vest on too). He shot before he sighted what he was shooting at. I guess I was just raised to scout out what you're going to do first.

(I'm responding to posts on this thread, can't you tell. LOL) Now onto the "bad info" reply on this thread. There's no getting around that, not on any board you're on. I fish the Olympic Peninsula and Puget Sound rivers/lakes, bays. I only very rarely go to Oregon, so what is quoted on here as reports are pretty much like reading Japanese to me. I've caught WELL more then my share of lies on Bob's and NWfishing (mostly the NWfishing page though) and just read post as if it was a jokebook. Get a good chuckle then move on. I rarely take reports seriously. Think of it this way, a truely serious fisherman/woman would rarely put out a hot report on a small river (big maybe for room is there to put more boats on). I fish 3-4 rivers exclusively and there's no way I'm putting a good report up, unless I want people to go to that river and I'm planning on fishing another. (No, I've never done that, just making statement).

To finalize all this, Os thought the Hey Y'all response was funny (and they were towards HIS daughter). I thought they were funny (and I have a daughter of my own). Almost all the professional and lifelong fisherman I personally know would think they're funny too (and have said alot worse). Heck, RT even posted new pictures of his "wife". Good ole Shania Twain. To some peole that would be highly offensive, stereotyping that a woman has to look that good when the majority don't even rate close (I personally know way too many customers that feel the women like Shania and Faith Hill make for unhealthy girls trying to be too skinny). So I see that RT deep down has a bit of tendancies like most, not as bad as duct tape though. I know Bill Herzog and Dave Vedder are very fluent with how they speak and could be called "out of line" but I find them both hilarious. Which, if any of you found Hey Y'alls responses bad, I'd very much tell you to stay away from Dave Vedder's page, he has "sexy fishing" pictures on it of scantily clad women in fishing gear holding fish. I'm a human being, I make mistakes, but so do everyone else. At the time it was only two posts that needed erasing. We're all busy and we all have lives. I understand Jen can't be here 24/7 but she now has quite the following of site hosts that can work the spectrum a bit more. Find an offensive post and send an email off to offender and delete that post. I also realize this is her site, she pays for it, so I have no room to demand anything (and I haven't, just put out my thoughts on what can be done different) I will admit I am a bit peeved, I don't like being treated that way in previous posts. I guess none of the above ever read my posts or knew me. It also shows they don't read all the info before they make decisions. I'm really surprised Marty even misread my post. I reread it 3 times to see if I mistated anything. Just crazy to think how many others misread other posts here and now I see how some get offended so easily (I'm sure I'll get people offended by this post too).

Well, I need to get offline now. It's almost midnight and I need to get some sleep. Tomorrows UPS's busiest delivery day of the year and I need some sleep. Plus my B'day is tomorrow also and I don't want to work most of it, then sleep the rest.

Take care all and I'm sure you'll hear from Os and I soon (unless we're banned for voicing our opinions)

Jerry

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You haven't lived til you've rowed a cataraft. Friends don't let friends run Outcasts.

[smilesforu]

hm.. did I miss something again http://www.ifish.net/forum/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif
Nice rant Jerry....Hope your back feels better and happy Birthday even though your working. I find the banter between os and hell yall very funny. Its a who can top the other contest. Just when I think one has lost the edge the other slams dunks. This is ultimately a fishing site and some of the Deliverance humor is on the edge...but funny.

BTW Jen has sensored one of my posts when I went into detail about riding on RT's Cat....but I understood http://www.ifish.net/forum/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif.
Running a bb and keeping everybody happy is not a easy thing to do... http://www.ifish.net/forum/images/graemlins/grin.gif (If you think my english skills are bad you should read my chinese)
Back to fishing....I hope
Tight Lines

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Marty M
Steelheader.net (http://www.steelheader.net/)

[Deleted User]

I went thru this exact thing back on the old DB the first time I deleted a thread. I learned real quick that some consider that censure and become angry; especially if one of their postsw got taken out along with the bad ones. I know Jen only wanted to take out a couple questionable posts but time constraints and eye probs were such that she did it the easy way. Like me, I'm sure she'll be more specific hence forth. In the meantime let's have some understanding and not over-react to this thing; just move on wiser. ... A couple more things: I will start a new related thead based on communication skills one of our good members learned in recent seminars that will help us all. ... BTW Roy, Os can teach you a whole bunch of ways to have a good time with duct tape that won't harm anyone http://www.ifish.net/forum/images/graemlins/grin.gif . I think he's writing a book on it as we speak. - RT

[Jennie@ifish]

One more post from Jennie.
I was very hurt and suprised that you took offense to my deleting this post. I am especially hurt by baits reply, cuz I thought he supported me/ifish.
Maybe I did wrong, and if I did, I'm sorry. I'm human.
Jen

[Bait O' Eggs]

Jen - Didn't mean to hurt your feelings. You created a family of fishers who meet at your website to get together and share, laugh and even cry sometimes. Like it or not we are all kind of like your kids. We play together sometimes, we fight sometimes. But for the most part we are loyal right up to the point we leave and don't come back. The problem you run into is we are grown adults for the most part, and we don't take kindly to being put in timeout, or being told to be quite.

If you think I am not an ifish supporter you are wrong. I still have 2 stickers on each of my boats. If and when the day comes I feel the need to leave ifish permanently I will peel the stickers off my boat and be on my way. Even discussed (with a positive attitude) your web address to a guy on the Clackamas during my drift Saturday after he saw the stickers on my boat.

When I see where you deleted a post that I didn't find offensive I have only 3 options. 1) I can just ignore it and let it add to the list of things that I think are wrong. 2)I can join the ranks that rally behind you and tell you how wonderful you are and it is your site, when I didn't really feel that you were right. 3) Or lastly I can do a gender check (for those that don't know what that is, you reach down between your legs and see if you find anything) and step up to the plate and take a position that will not be politically correct, unpopular by most, and easy for some to take the "high road" and take a cheap shot at. I disagreed with what you did and chose to take option 3 and let you know about it. For those that are critical of me, go ahead and bash away, I will stand up for how I feel, right or wrong.

Hurting your feelings was not the intended result. I am sorry your feelings got hurt by my post. By reading thru stealheader69's rant post and O's leaving the building post I would guess you hurt there feelings with your delete. Just a by product of standing up for how we each feel. You must have felt the deep need to join in with the ones who complained about the issue, and deleted. I felt the deep need to let you know I didn't agree with it. I think we can move on from here.

[White Willie]

YOU GO GIRL I visit your website alot I dont post topics very often but I like the information I get from reading the posts,it is very informative and it is FREE. You and RT do all the work and you should be able to edit or delete any thing you find offensive or someone else finds offensive. This is a fishing BB, sometimes we get a little carried away with what we post or our replys. KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK! Oh by the way what does duct tape have to do with fishing anyway.

[Crusty]

White Willie,

You don't use a spey rod, huh? The ferrules are taped on a spey rod to prevent twisting. Then, of course, there are emergency repairs to waders and rain coats, etc. etc. I use it a lot and none of my daughters live at home anymore.

Crusty

[RW]

I am deleting my own post. I didn't mean to add fuel to the fire. I know hey_yall didn't literally mean what he wrote, I just believe it went a little to far for my taste. RW

[This message has been edited by RW (edited 12-19-2000).]

[Gizmo Man]

I read this post with great interest and did not wish to take sides until I read White Willlies post. I would like to take exception to what was said.

You state you don't post very often, but you get a lot of information from the posts.

Who do you think make the posts and keep the board interesting? It is not just RT and Jenney. People like Os, SH69, Eggs and even Zaq to name a few are or where regular contributors.

While I know Jennie does a lot of the behind the scenes admin work to keep the bb functioning, there are many individuals other than RT who are experienced, knowledgable fishers who add their experiences to make this the place you go to to get the information you deemed valuable.

In exchange for this free information, they have fun with their friends, banter with them and jerk theirs chain as friends do. You read the posts and laugh at the ones you find funny, but at some point, you want to ban those that cross your moral line.

Men are from Mars and women from Venus has meaning. It points out the differences in men and women. Men have differnt threshold as to what is acceptable.

I do not wish to start a debate as to who adds the most value, to the bb, the administrators or the contributors, but on a recent post, it was pointed out that another bb is having trouble attracting people to make the bb worth keeping. That person has the same type of problems in running the board as Jennie. That board is not successful because others choose not to post there.

Ask yourself this, WW, would you visit this bb if you did not get the information you deemed valuable?

As for my .02 worth, most of the people on this bb are responsible adults. Some of us push others buttons to get a fun rise out of them in the spirit of comradery.

Sure, I find some posts or subjects not to my liking, so I choose to not read them or participate in them. I learned a long time ago, not to engage in discussions on politics or religion. Most of the time, people only know what they hear from other sources and not the true facts. They in turn argue from that position. In fact, they are only opinions, usually based on partial facts, or truths.

I do find it objectionable, when we are all responsible for building this bb into a successful one but a few have other inherant, self-appointed rights.

I have pointed out objectional posts to the IFISH administrators and have supported the policy of no abusive behavior or language.

I have a problem when the use of Sh** or as@ho@l is ok but its deemed profanity if the correct spelling is used. Guess what, its no different than when everyone was running around on national tv saying he used the "n" word, but would not use it. What went through your head when you heard them say "n" instead of the word. I bet you filled in the blank, just as when these truncated words are used. It is a little hypocritical, isn't it.

I suggest that posts that grow in size are ones that hold someone's interest or they would die and go to bit heaven. I see that the post on the value of a loomis rod is a 2 page post now.

I also think everyone should step back and think of why we spend countless hours typing on this bb. Its for the fun, relaxation, and knowledge we get.

Recently, Zaq left a post saying he was leaving the bb and it got deleted as it was reported it contained profanity. I saw no profanity in it. I even left a post about it asking that his name be cleared if he was not the offending person as it was alluded to. This has not been done that I saw.

I would like to suggest that the members of this bb who do give their time and knowledge to support it, not be treated like someone's kids. You do this and I'll... or removing posts as a form or parental control.

If this continues to happen, I think we will see a group of people who are only interested in being "yes" type people. There will be no free exchange of information and the only people left will be here as drones; afraid to express their opinions or have fun for fear of being banned or censored. It now looks like 3 more regulars are choosing to pull back on their posting.

Do not confuse the above with the kids that come to this board to cause trouble and are out right vulgar and rude in their posts.

I just hope that before we offend too many people and cause them to sign off permanently, a solution that is adult based be reached so that ww and others will continue to get the information they come here to get.

The above is meant as construction criticism. As adults, we should not be saying, if I don't get it my way, I'm taking my bat and ball and going home....

You all have a safe and happy holiday.

Giz...

[Salmonator]

I am not a woman and that post hit my manly threshold of what I seem is acceptable for a BB that thousands of people read each day (is it thousands now?). I wrote to RT suggesting that this kind of stuff should be out in the boat where you know exactly who's listening to whatever you have to say. I might have even laughed in the boat because I know yall wasn't serious. That also told me something about yall when he told us all to "cry him a river" although he probably directed it at me. As far as symbols replacing letters in unappropriate words go, they're not suggesting physical harm to somebody so they don't bother me too much but if you can find somebody with the time to go through and pick out every dirty word then good luck.
As far as everybody complaining that other info was deleted as well as the offending post: I read it and it's not like she deleted somebodys novel on catarafts. She even offered to start the topic back up (see above).
This BB will not shut down if our most elaborate contributors throw a fit and leave. I'm sure Jen is even replaceable but after they read what has gone on here the odds aren't good. I don't know how you guys write these long posts, i'm wiped out...

[Steelheader69]

First off, I'll aplogize about my rant. The hours I've been putting in and the way my back feels just added to what has happened here.

Now with RW, it's posts like that that go out there WAY too far. What's the fine line between fantasy and truth? I doubt the hey y'all really would duct tape a woman's mouth shut (or would he???). Second, most people in this world have had lot's to deal with that are "negative", so bringing up your point isn't necessery. I was physically abused as a child, yet I don't go on a rampage if someone says "I'd kick his butt" or "I'll pop him in the mouth". A joke is a joke. Learning to discipher what is said is the key. We're all adults, you don't like what is said, then don't read it. It's replies like RW's that offend me. Scare tactics and "feel sorry for me" posts just don't phase me. I've watched friends die, and had a friend literally die in my arms, so to say "I had a friend die from abuse" is sad, but a fact of life. It's not fair or right, but happens nonetheless. A post like that is COMPLETELY not necessary on this BB, even for reason she posted it. It's plainly a shock post to make the deletion seem more politically correct. It's the desensitizing of America that has weakened us and is making "tree huggers". I guess liberal was a good word to describe that post. I feel, if you've survived any type of abuse ordeals, just live your life and quit trying to live others lives for them. I'll myself report abuse, but I know when a joke is a joke. I could rant alot on this, but I'd just get more of these replies. See, all these reply posts have made me stray from main subject.

Well Salmonator, I guess you just don't have it for these long posts. Since I majored in Math/Sciences and had to do 50 page thesis's on Euler circuits for advanced physics it became quite easy to expand upon what you had to say. If only we had computers with wordprinters like they have today I could have had a completed paper in hours, not days.

I have to side with all the Gizmo said, it was on the mark all the way. I'm just going to stop at this, I could say alot more, but I'm sure I'd get yelled at by others. It's just not worth it. I believe in moving on as I was told in an email to me today, but you know all I did was ask a question and then agreed with Os about taking a little break. It was others misinterpeting mine and Os's post and then the "good riddance" posts that sent me on my rant. It takes Jennie's time and money to run this post (which was her choice and she can pull plug on this site at any time if it becomes to much), yet it's also our choice to come and post on this BB and keep it going. I assume if the hits went down, it wouldn't be worth keeping going. Right? Also, it's funny that someone said if someone leaves it's ok. I always thought of this as a close knit group, yet I guess not. There is no such thing as an invaluable member. It takes all of us to keep these posts going and none of us know as much as all of us do. I'm only 31, been fishing salmon/steelhead since I was 5 and trout since 3, and I still don't know everything. Yet, I do have alot of local fishing knowledge and have a few tricks up my sleeve that I can share. I guess if I'm such an invaluable member maybe I should just have Jennie delete my account. I do enjoy coming here, but not if people are going to be this way. (this is a fishing site, but yet we have threads on Oregon football and presidential races) And no, this is not a boo hoo pitty me. I've come too far in my life and made way too many forward strives to ask for that (and wouldn't accept it anyways). It's plainly that if I'm not wanted I won't stick around. My exwife plainly didn't want me around, so I divorced her, took the house and the kids and bid good riddance of her. I guess time will tell if it's time to "get another divorce" as I was told in another email to myself from a board member. Also, not to make hard feelings, but dont' expect Os back anytime soon Jen. I keep in close contact with him and don't think he'll be back at all. As was said, Os and I are hardcore Cat guys. For us this isn't a "hobby". Just as fishing isn't a "hobby". They are both passions of ours. So deleting thread, eventhough it wasn't "depth of knowledge related" was a slap in the face. Restarting thread wouldn't be the same. That's actually making something up, instead of an honest question with an honest answer.

Jen, you said you are human, so are we. Human's make mistakes, so I guess now is best to let the dead dog lie and see who stays and who leaves. (I hope I didn't OFFEND anyone who's dog may have just died, it seems some people are just a bit too touchy)

Oh well



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You haven't lived til you've rowed a cataraft. Friends don't let friends run Outcasts.

[Osprey]

Thanks Giz,my turn
Jerry what are you doing up so late???
I'll make this short kiddies,
as far "hey yall" post......COME ON for 1 consider the sourse....well duh
and 2 if anyone should have a problem ,it should have been me...It was my daughter....
sure he's got a little twisted sense of humor at times
by now we should have been expecting it,
My e-mail link is right there if you don't like what I said tell me,I can take it.....
back to my vacation .....Osprey

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[THE REEL HEY_YALL]

WELL after going at least 72 hours + without posting, due to weekends off and fish in the rivers, it's time I make an announcement. Show some freakin' testicular fortitude more often in your life and you won't be seen as a "whining hippie" Yes, that "cry me a river" comment was pointed at you salmonator because so many times I have wanted to tell people to post or surf the web without their wives (or husbands if the case) looking over their shoulder. Find it offensive? Oh come on, please don't even watch TV if that's the case, and surely don't read any novels or highway billboards. This is just like being in kindergarden again...timeout, you said something that I found offensive, even though it had nothing to do with me...yadda yadda yadda. Yes, this is a "free" fishing forum with great ideas/suggestions. Yes, I appreciate coming here and bashing Osprey. Yes, I know how hard it is to maintain a website, I am the administrator on a multi-million dollar website. RW your reply on this thread is nothing short of absolutely ridiculous. My comment towards O's daughter was taken with a grain of salt because that's how we are, and if anyone and I mean ANYONE found offense to it, then it should have been the man himself, but it wasn't. I admit it could have been taken the wrong way, but just like one of my buds towards the top said "how many of you have never wanted to tape a date's mouth shut that rambled" I don't have to justify myself to you folks because there is a line between reality and fantasy....internet being fantasy. You could say all the things in the world on here and it wouldn't matter because this is the freakin' internet, not a coffee shop. I have looked out for my Washingtonian anglers on this BB with various posts. Yes the fishing has been down this year, that's how I see how the board got off the subject of fishing so many times. I see nothing wrong with the political threads or any others for that matter. I see this place as a community, a sub-division if you will. Neighbors talking to neighbors, joking or not joking. Whether it's fishing or not, us regulars see this place as a common ground for communication beit all topics. I can't even count the non-fishing related topics, emu comments, deliverance references, and other politcal things that make it here, but I will say it's wrong to delete posts..unless they were racial, or otherwise discriminate, or curse words were used. You people can kiss butt all you want, but that's not my style. Jen I like your site, but that's as far as it goes, unless we meet sometime in the future and I get to know you more, but still I won't say anything more than thanks for the fun, advice, and the outlet for us. And as for you RW, I have worked for 2 different police depts. I am one semester shy of having my bachelor's degree in Criminal Justice AND Psychology. To find my duct tape comment offensive just makes me want to ask..do you even shave your pits? You didn't have to state you were a liberal, we can read it a mile away. And to not find RT's Shania Twain pics offensive, and other Deliverance/Redneck puns offensive just make me laugh evenmore at your words above. Don't throw rocks when you live in a glass house. And I totally agree with my "friends" who want a "break". I agree with my friend Osprey on this one....Elvis has left the building. Yeah Osprey being the guy that is the father of the daughter I made the duct tape reference to. Y'all really need to get a life and pick your wars on a more productive level.

[Jennie@ifish]

But I LIKE whining hippies!
Jen

[Osprey]

He so has a way with words don't he http://www.ifish.net/forum/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif
do you shave you're arm pits...ouch http://www.ifish.net/forum/images/graemlins/shocked.gif
I told you stop trying to pick up those greeners downtown....Os

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[Deleted User]

Wow. I am taken aback at the overreactions here. LIGHTEN UP PEOPLE. Nothing has happened here making it worth such over-sensative takes. It's like Giz said, this has become for some an adult version of the childish 'if things don't go my way or to my liking I'll just take my ball and bat and go home'. Come on! And for such small percent of questionable posts you would overlook all the bigger percent of good things that occur here? How about a re-think, a re-group, and move on to some fishing posts, as well as take the fun 'guys will be guys' posts with a grain of salt. .... Onward http://www.ifish.net/forum/images/graemlins/smile.gif - RT

[DanS]

I'm going to pitch in my $.02 and leave it at that. I find the exchanges between Os and 'yall mildly funny, and rather tongue-in-cheek (no jokes Os http://www.ifish.net/forum/images/graemlins/grin.gif). I also think that once somebody complained about it, Jen was almost obligated to take some corrective action. She explained why the thread was removed, rather than specific posts. It's like the personalized license plate thing; if somebody complains about your plate, you have to change it.

That said, I wonder if the complainer was well served by lodging the complaint? I see the result as a lot of hurt feelings, and a possible loss of a very good source of info. Everybody's replacable in the grand scheme, but Os is a pretty respectable angler and pretty liberal with the info he gave out on techniques. I'm going to encourage him and y'all to re-join us here, and hope they will.

Sure, children should be encouraged to join us as anglers on the water, and possibly browse this sight as a source of info. But realistically, how many 5-10 year olds frequent this site? If you're an adult and you were offended enough to complain to the site administrator about the whole duct tape thing, then I hope you're happy with the results. I couldn't be less happy. http://www.ifish.net/forum/images/graemlins/frown.gif

I'm with RT, time to move on. Lesson learned. Hopefully, the hurt feelings won't last.........

Fish on......

[Steelheader69]

You know RT, I started this post as simply a question. All Os or I said was we needed a break. We didn't damned the sight or say it sucked. We fealt betrayed a bit and both Os and I are going through ordeals of our own, so this just added fuel to our fires. Then, to top this off, Os and I are both childishly slammed with the "good riddance" posts above. We may have (mostly myself) wrote rant novels, but it quite literally hurts to have people you confide and also give valuable info to turn their backs on you so fast. It's a major slap in the face. I'm not religious, so the turn the other cheek doesn't always work with me. I was raised to be vengeful, so I'm an eye for an eye type. I'm attacked, I attack back. It was funny that I was the only honor student in school who had quite the record for fights. I have learned to control my anger, but I still raise my guard. I never stood still, so there's no need for me to move on. I have just defended my stance, not once have I said this was a bad sight (I'd like to see quote if I did). I've sent many a friends to this sight. I've kept coming, eventhough my letter with check was RTS'd for my Ifish stickers. I usually just go with the flow, but as I said if I'm attacked I'll fight back.

Nuff said, Os and I are going fishing on our cats.

Jerry

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You haven't lived til you've rowed a cataraft. Friends don't let friends run Outcasts.

[smilesforu]

Ok who needs a hug http://www.ifish.net/forum/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif If you don't take a hug, I get to duct tape you so RT can give you a hug. Wonder if emus like hugs http://www.ifish.net/forum/images/graemlins/grin.gif
Tight Lines

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Steelheader.net (http://www.steelheader.net/)

[Osprey]

They love hugs you just have to stand on a stool...oh wait you said hugs didn't you..... http://www.ifish.net/forum/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif

Jer just got a killer report from the Zip HOT!!!!time for a little Catn around http://www.ifish.net/forum/images/graemlins/wink.gif...Os

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[Hoosier Daddy]

Screw that, wonder if Shania needs a hug.

[Deleted User]

Hug that, Shania needs a ..... nother hug. http://www.ifish.net/forum/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[Crusty]

RT,

That was offensive. I'm leaving this board long enough to go and pour myself a single malt. http://www.ifish.net/forum/images/graemlins/smile.gif http://www.ifish.net/forum/images/graemlins/smile.gif http://www.ifish.net/forum/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Crusty

[This message has been edited by Crusty (edited 12-20-2000).]

[Crusty]

What's going on? It has been five minutes and no one has pleaded for me to come back.

Crusty

[whitewaterbill]

I am offended also....Crusty...pour me a double!

bill

[Crusty]

Anytime, anywhere Bill. The boat's name is "Inside". Throw over the fenders and tie up whenever you see me.

Crusty