Hunting and Fishing news

[raptorschild]

I'm relatively new to the forum, and havent seen any topics relating to this magazine, but i was wondering about your thoughts.

I think its the biggest crock out there. When i was in highschool i caught about a 4lb LM out of a private seep lake over in the Mesa, WA area in springtime. My dad didnt tell me, but he mailed the picture to the mag. about 5 years after that, I'm at a hotel in Lewiston, ID, and i see my mug on the cover of a Hunting and Fishing news (california edition) magazine. THe article explained how i caught the bass in the dead of winter on some lake in Cali called clear lake. Never fished California a day in my life! I was wearing some warm clothes in the pic cause it was about 45 degrees in late March, so i guess the pic just fit the story.

few months ago some solicitor called me on the phone wondering if i wanted a subscription to this mag. I laughed and told him the story. Lets just say he didnt waste to much time on the phone with me after that. :idea:

[ScottD]

I like F&H News.

[EZOP]

That's funny, my wife DeeDee is in it right now holding a big 11lb walleye she caught at Banks Lake back in 1996 I believe. Our beliefs on even keeping a fish like that have changed since then. I forgot I even sent the picture.

[BIG TK]

You know what really kills me about H & F news is that year in and year out they have the same exact articles. For the first year I had it coming I learned a lot. After the year was up I figured out what was going on and cancelled my subscription. To this day I will pick it up in the store and not much has changed. Same big sturgeon being caught in the same spots with the same bait, bass , salmon. Hunting part of it is not much different. You get my drift?

[boblag]

I subscribed for about 2 years, and in that time I got most of what I wanted out of it. I have kept all the back issues and refer to them from time to time for maps, etc., but will probably not subscribe again.

[gerry]

Like boblag said, the maps are good for reference.That's what I got out of it mostly.A friend of mine writes some article for the Oregon mag and they are interesting because of the subjects. He'll write about catching crawdad's, gigging bullfrogs, and fishing lesser known water's that most other writers don't.I look foreward to reading his stuff.

[raptorschild]

Besides me catching the mag flat out lying, I just don't like how it glorifies certain fisheries, and hunting areas. By the sound of the mag all you have to do is show up to the spot and you'll be successful. It tends to get a lot of people excited about opportunities that are not what their cracked up to be. Not only that but it exploits fairly unkown spots which for me is no good. I just love it when i've gotten to know a fishery real well, and know its a challenge to get a big bass, or steelhead their, and they claim its so easy.

[IRONMAN]

Take it for what it is.A great bathroom read and if your out of TP, you have all you need in your hands.

[gottafish]

I use to bow hunt the oochcoos a lot and it was great then the H&S news ran an artical about the great elk hunting there. I swear it was like opening day of rifle season that year. And now its draw only for bow hunting. Really sucks.

[HOOKUP]

F and H news is a good magazine. The writing is typically poor but it has all the info of where?, what? when? etc. Not many magazines give this type od detail. My lastissue that came was a Bouy 10 special with an interview of Buzz Ramsey. They talked about using spinners and there was also mention of the hottest new scent krill.

Call it what you want but the bottom line is if your not in the know, this magazine will help you out more than any others, and the map features can sometimes be awesome, like the one they put out of Bouy 10.

The only thing is everyonce in a while they run a new story or map and like previously said it can absoulutly over run a good spot...I mean look what happened to drano!!!

[raptorschild]

Yeah, hookup F & H news is a great mag. uuuummmm no. The only thing its good for is lazy people that can't get off there duff and go figure out a fishery or find productive hunting areas themselves.

They blatantly find pictures that seem to "fit" in with the half cooked story they come up with so they can add substance to the bs they print. I was offended that they would take my picture and completely fabricate a story just becuase the clothes i was wearing indicated to the reader that i caught the largemouth in the dead of winter in an entirely different state no less.

They try to make fisheries sound like all you have to do is show up, and you'll be successful. I saw an article about dry fly fishing the Grande Ronde for Steelhead. I've fished the river for steelies for about 8 years now, and you don't just show up and fish jump on your spey rod, but they sure made it sound that way, and now the place is a complete zoo. 2 years ago a guide even pulled a gun on someone for fishing his water. This would never have happened 10 years ago becuase there was enough water for everyone. They take spots that people have worked hard to find, and explore, and they exploit them so "Joe beer chugging schmoe" can find it without the inconvenience of hard work.

So i guess if your lazy, love combat fishing/hunting, and want to be fed a bunch of optimistic propoganda, then yeah Hunting and Fishing news is for you.

[ScottD]

:rolleyes: does somebody need a chill pill? :shrug: Jeez.

I'm sorry they stole your picture and lied about you. Hookup did have some real good points, though.


This would never have happened 10 years ago becuase there was enough water for everyone.

You know, the increase in pressure on certain spots might be able to be attributed to some F&H News articles, but what about all the message boards like this one? The internet is so much more prevalent now than 10 years ago.......and F&H News has been around a lot longer than 10 years. So, I don't believe that you can put all the blame on F&H News for some spots getting crowded.......word just gets around whether someone reads F&H News or not.

I read F&H News for the same reason I read message boards: I like reading about hunting and fishing. I don't believe everything I read in F&H News and I don't believe everything I read on the internet but I still enjoy the information I find no matter where I find it.

F&H News doesn't only report on hot spots......they also have good articles on techniques and gear reviews, polical news regarding fishing and hunting, rule changes, etc. There is lots of info to found in those pages.

Well, I better sign out now.....I'm starting to sound like an advertisement for the magazine.

[iampapajack]

:yeahthat: Also, being an experienced fisherman, but new to the Northwest and new to fresh water fishing in general I find the rag very entertaining and informative, just like this website. The wealth of info that you guys have added to the maps and pointers from the Mag have made N/West fishing much more enjoyable to me... :twocents: Jack

[Dave Smith]

Yeah, hookup F & H news is a great mag. uuuummmm no. The only thing its good for is lazy people that can't get off there duff and go figure out a fishery or find productive hunting areas themselves.

They blatantly find pictures that seem to "fit" in with the half cooked story they come up with so they can add substance to the bs they print. I was offended that they would take my picture and completely fabricate a story just becuase the clothes i was wearing indicated to the reader that i caught the largemouth in the dead of winter in an entirely different state no less.

They try to make fisheries sound like all you have to do is show up, and you'll be successful. I saw an article about dry fly fishing the Grande Ronde for Steelhead. I've fished the river for steelies for about 8 years now, and you don't just show up and fish jump on your spey rod, but they sure made it sound that way, and now the place is a complete zoo. 2 years ago a guide even pulled a gun on someone for fishing his water. This would never have happened 10 years ago becuase there was enough water for everyone. They take spots that people have worked hard to find, and explore, and they exploit them so "Joe beer chugging schmoe" can find it without the inconvenience of hard work.

So i guess if your lazy, love combat fishing/hunting, and want to be fed a bunch of optimistic propoganda, then yeah Hunting and Fishing news is for you.



He he- Can anyone deny this?

[ScottD]

The only thing its good for is lazy people that can't get off there duff and go figure out a fishery or find productive hunting areas themselves.



He he- Can anyone deny this?



I can deny the part quoted above. There are things in the magazine other than maps of spots.

I will admit that it does suck when you've spent a bunch of time learning an area and then you see an map of it in F&H News explaining all the spots you've learned over the years. But it's just as bad as seeing a map of a certain SW WA lake on the internet with most of the best spots I've learned over the last 22 years shown and discussed on the message boards.

Anyway, it's not just for lazy people.

[Dave Smith]

[/quote] But it's just as bad as seeing a map of a certain SW WA lake on the internet with most of the best spots I've learned over the last 22 years shown and discussed on the message boards.

[/quote]

Can anyone deny this???

[raptorschild]

Scott D - no i don't need a chill pill, i have plenty. But for someone to say the F & H news is a "good" magazine, that is just plain hilarious. The running joke with many Nw anglers and hunters is that its the Hunting, and Fishing enquire! I certainly didnt coin that nickname btw. Would you call the enquire a great piece of journalism? I thought so. Its crap, and F & H news is just crap that relates more to your leasurely activities. Like stated above its the same old articles pretty much every year, and its obviously a magazine created to catch fisherman, not help them catch fish.

If F & H news wanted the respect of all anglers, they would print articles that are representative of the real world, and not just "hey come fish and catch monster bass at Silver." Also if they are going to put people's pictures in the mag, i can't believe they can't find some pics that are actually from the fisheries they are writing about. I love how they put my pic in the California mag. Maybe they thought i wouldnt find out about it, and spread the word. I just wish they'd tell it like it is, cause the mag has potential.

Done beating a dead horse, but if i were the editor of this mag i'd do a few simple things to correct it. 1. Id write articles that arnet just success stories, and write about the realization that people might get skunked fishing a certain spot. 2. add pictures that actually go with the story. At lease make sure the fish was caught from the fishery discussed in the article for god sakes, and 3. Quit mapping out remote areas and telling people this is the "promised" land for fishing and hunting and therefore putting a bunch of pressure on once secret spots.

Flame away.

[ScottD]

Raptor - when is the last time you read F&H News? Maybe they've changed their practices since the last time you read it?

As far as them being like the Enquirerer.......I don't know about that? I can't say that I've seen any articles in the last 2 years, that I've been subscribing, that have had fabricated stories. They all seem like legitimate stories to me.

I've read articles where the author says he didn't catch anything. For example this spring there was an article about a guy going to Silver to try catching crappie and he couldn't catch any. He decided to try some Columbia River sloughs for crappie near Woodland and still couldn't find any crappie but managed to catch several smallmouth on crappie jigs. He didn't tell any secret spots because he didn't get that specific; and he told that the crappie fishing sucked (not in those words, though); and he told that using small crappie jigs was producing some nice smallies. To me, that was a great article.

So, I still disagree with you about the mag being bad. I'd probably have a worse attitude toward the rag if I'd been treated like you had, but the magazine provides good entertainment and some knowledge for me to use. (And I'm not a lazy person that can't find my own spots.)

[raptorschild]

I'll agree with you scott that the mag can be entertaining. I think the last time i read it, was a couple months ago, and saw a story in it about bass fishing banks and catfishing on the snake river at lyon's ferry...again.

the stories i'm sure are not 100% fabrication, simply put they just embelish to make the fisheries seem better than they really are. I wonder how many pictures in the mag are actually legit. I only have one picture to go off, and it wasnt legit, plus someone also posted above citing a picture thats over 10 years old..... go figure.

[Dave Smith]

Back when Pat Hoglund was with them, he asked to come along on a Goose hunt and do a story- we were a little skeptical as one of our friends had a bad experience with an article that gave away too much information. Pat was very pleasant to hunt with- we just tore it up that morning and he wrote an article accurately telling the hunt right down to the times we got our birds and how many out of each flock- even put a picture of yours, truly on the front cover, plus he printed my "ten commandments of goosehunting", which is still referred to these days- even had the article on the ESPN website forever. Now, there are almost ZERO articles about Goose hunting which is fine by me.
Dave

[Lou]

I've got to chime in here. H&F News is junk.
Do not rely on the maps. I have noticed several
areas to be wrong, especially the Clack.
The articles are about fishing weeks old or
even years old.
I stopped wasting my money and time.
New comers need to be especially aware of the
mistakes on the maps.
JMHO
Lou

[HOOKUP]

I remeber seeing Dave Smith on the cover, I bet you have it framed in your office!:jester:

A lot of people wont give the magazine credit for what it does, lets you know where to go and what to do...half baked, cheesy and pictures that dont go with the articles? YES

but for a rag that comes out every 2 weeks it does an ok job, AND what most people wont admit is that they read it until they dont need it anymore and now despise it because it brings in more people to the sport!!

ANd for all the people who use thier GPS to find the maps are not "perfect"...are you kidding me? they are generalizations, which do a decent job of showing the general areas to fish!! Just because you are in an area thats not HIGHLIGHTED doesnt mean you cant catch a fish there! Lol

[Lou]

You have me wrong. I don't give a rip, if it tells
more people where to go. Good for them and I will tell
anyone, whats going on if I know. No zipper lips with me.
The names of the ramps on the Clack have never been right
or they are in the wrong place on the map. Guess that
is meant to not show the secret spot. LOL
I have not read it for years.
Dead Fish News.
Peace!
Lou

[kc1]

I subscribed in the late '80s and early '90s. It was somewhat helpful to me (being new to the nw) but it got old and useless very fast.
Their big hook back then (maybe it still is today, I haven't even looked at one in the past 15 years) was "re-subscribe for a prize" or "get a buddy to subscribe for a prize"... It was that type of marketing that turned me away from it.