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[Timber Man]

The RE RE RE count is done when will Gore admit he has lost?Time to stop trying TO cheat and be done BUSH WINS!!!!!!!!!TM http://www.ifish.net/forum/images/graemlins/grin.gif http://www.ifish.net/forum/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[Osprey]

Never thought I would have to live under a http://www.ifish.net/forum/images/graemlins/frown.gif http://www.ifish.net/forum/images/graemlins/frown.gifBUSH http://www.ifish.net/forum/images/graemlins/frown.gif http://www.ifish.net/forum/images/graemlins/frown.gif http://www.ifish.net/forum/images/graemlins/frown.gif


Know Bush or No Bush http://www.ifish.net/forum/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif

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[DanS]

Hey Kev,


No gloating now. I remember in US History class in high school reading about how, under the electoral college system, the loser could become the winner.......looks like it's just happened again http://www.ifish.net/forum/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Oh well, you got half your ticket in, I got half mine in (bye, Slade), and best of all......IT'S RAINING. Now we can get back to the important stuff......FISHING.

Fish on......

[smilesforu]

I ain't paying off wagers til its actually over http://www.ifish.net/forum/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

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Marty M
Steelheader.net (http://www.steelheader.net/)

[Gone Fishin]

I don't know if you say this, it was just sent to me by Tim and Shanna Jaurez:

THE BALLOT COUNTING, by Bob Miller - 1190 KEX

ACCORDING TO DR. SEUSS:

Can we count them with our nose? Can we count them with our toes? Should we count them with a band? Should we count them all by hand? If I do not like the count, I will simply throw them out! I will not let this vote count stand, I do not like them, and AlGore I am!

Can we change these numbers here? Can we change them, calm my fears? What do you mean Dubya has won? That is not fair! It ruins my fun! Let's count them upside down this time Let's count until the state is mine! I will not let THIS vote count stand! I do not like it, and AlGore I am!

I'm really ticked, I'm in a snit! You have not heard the last of it! I'll count the ballots one by one And hold each up before the sun! I'll count, recount, and count some more! You'll grow to like this little chore! I will not let this vote count stand! I do not like it, and AlGore I am!

I won't leave office, stayin' here I've glued my desk chair to my rear! Tipper, Hillary, and Bubba too, Are telling me that I should SUE! "We find the Electoral College vile! Recount the votes until WE smile! We do not want this vote to stand! We do not LIKE it, AlGore-I-am!"

How shall we count THIS ballot box? Let's count it standing in our socks! Shall we count this one in a tree? And who shall count it, you or me? We cannot, cannot count enough! We must not stop, we must be tough! I do not want this vote to stand! I do not like it, and AlGore I am!

I've counted till my fingers bleed and still can't fulfill my counting need. I'll count the tiles on the floor and even count the ones next door! And I will not say I am done until the counting says I've WON! I will not let this vote count stand! I do not like it, and AlGore I am!

What's that? What? What's that you say? You think the current count should....STAY????? You do not like my counting scheme? It makes you tense? Gives you bad dreams? Foolish folks, you're wrong, you'll see! Your only care should be for ME! I will not let this vote count stand! I do not like it, and AlGore I am!

[Steelheadman]

Nothing like calling it before all the votes are counted.

[CtDrifter]

Well, I really am tired of hearing about it. I really wanted Gore to win. But Bush won. I am just glad that it is almost over. Tight lines.
Ct

[Steve]

Sore and Loserman, need to concede and try again in 4 years...either the Bush administration will have screwed things up and make it a cake walk or maybe there IS a better way to do business... would have liked a little more leeway on the side of the Republicans on the House and Senate...Any other country we would have a full blown Civil War...Remember Nixon stepped down..w/o a recount in a tie...Time for ALGORE to bow out quietly....Steve

[Deleted User]

I know we aren't supposed to use foul langauge on this board but I'm going to anyway and say the foulest three words that I know.......President George W. Bush.

[Deleted User]

The popular vote says Gore, the electoral vote says Bush. Problem? I think so.

Get rid of the Electoral College and the candidates will only campaign in those states with larger populations. And this is supposed to be a BAD thing that they won't come to Oregon or Washington as much?

No matter which candidate wins, the loser won.

No matter which candidate wins, half the country will be upset about it.

If the roles were reversed, this would still be going on so don't give me the Sore Loserman BS.

The best thing about Bush winning (if he does) will be that we'll be able to hear Ted Koppel talking about Bush and Dick in the White House.

[happybrew]

Hey Marty, if you have money riding on this, I think you should definitely demand another recount, just to be sure before you have to pay anything! http://www.ifish.net/forum/images/graemlins/grin.gif

happybrew

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Carpe Cerevisae!

[Deleted User]

So Fobb, by you saying we will have a Bush and Dick in the White House, you are essentially saying the staus quo of the last 8 years in the oval office will remain intact? http://www.ifish.net/forum/images/graemlins/grin.gif

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[chuck 'n' duck]

Let's hope for a smooth four years under Bush and a better Democratic candiditate in the next election. Until then, we fish!

[Deleted User]

RT - Precisely my point! Wasn't it the Conservatives who trumpeted the loudest about Clinton's actions in office, and then they turn around and submit these two for our joke-telling pleasure.

You thought that it was a party with Billy boy in there, wait until the "clean and sober" GeeDub gets in there. Kennedy will look like a choirboy (without the molesting priest).

[Timber Man]

You all sound like SORE LOSERMANS to me http://www.ifish.net/forum/images/graemlins/grin.gif http://www.ifish.net/forum/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

[Deleted User]

It's only a matter of time before Bush's true colors come shining through and we will ALL be "Sore Losermans". Unless you are of the top 2% income wise, in which case your life just got a whole lot better.

[Steve]

So what is the problem with the Rich getting richer and the poor going to to work...The demo's have been stock piling the masses with low income houseing at our expense feeding them at our expense READ MY LIPS, I am taxed to the point that at $40,000. + I can't put gas in my Alumiweld or diesel in my Dodge Ram 4x4.....At this point even if Gore won by all his manureing I wouldn't consider him Legitimate...and now the stock market is taking a slide...as the song goes "You don't always get what you want..."

[Deleted User]

Manureing? Hey Steve, is that a term for getting down and dirty with lawyers? jk - Recall I told you I am a registered Independant. The only reason I decided at the last minute not to vote for Nader, but for Gore, was the late AP report that Bush was strongly considering Slade Gorton for his Secretary of the Interior position within his cabinet. Yikes. The main reason I was against Bush all along was for his poor record and stance with the environment and thus concern over the future of our children's health and fishing's health. The fact is I've never been a Gore fan either. However, I feel compelled to bring up a couple things due to your statement that, essentially, if Gore's challenge of the Florida election (rectifying irregularities and getting proper consideration of manual handcounts, that are wittnessed by reps of both parties for accuracy - what you called manureing) got him elected that you would not consider him legitimate. But being fair minded you would consider Bush legitimate if he is declared the winner? http://www.ifish.net/forum/images/graemlins/shocked.gif Considering that Gore won the nationwide popular vote (that means Gore got more votes overall than Bush) and that by conservative estimates (no pun intended) the screwed/skewed ballots of Palm Beach County put a few thousand votes intended for Gore mistakenly into Buchanan's column, that hundreds of additonal vote gains for Gore weren't allowed by the gleeful staunch Repub. Sec. of State of Florida Ms. Harris because they were 2 hours late after days of hard work to get it done, and that Bush's brother Jeb, Governor of Florida (the Jeff Galooley of the Tonya Harding whack the competition counterpart?), publicly promised his brother GW the state of Florida's 25 electoral votes .... that you would consider Bush as legitimate?!? OK, don't be mad at me Steve, I'm only the messenger here and pointing out a big sore thumb double standard you just flung on us. The sad fact is with this unprecedented situation neither guy could possibly come away with a 'people's mandate' or the feeling of a legit victory. They are both probably having nightmares about the whole thing; when they can get to sleep. http://www.ifish.net/forum/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif As Dan S. pointed out above from his school history lessons, the guy who lost can become president because of the electoral college system; apparently even if he may have likely lost the electoral vote too. And I think that's what you are going to get. Now, tell us about legitimacy. ..... BTW, with GeeDub in the oval office of ill reput I am in the financial position for a portfolio gain from his illegitimate election. But I not only feel badly for our environment, I also feel badly for anyone in the financial position of not being able to afford gas and diesel fuel in their rigs, because they are going to be hurt in the long run by this mis-election. If you don't believe that perhaps you are unaware of what happened during the last 12 years of Repub. Presidency (Regan/Bush) and what happened in the last 8 years of the Demo Presidency (Bubba). Did you notice anything about the economy and federal deficit the last few years Steve? As you quoted the Stones "You don't always get what you want...", that certainly applies to the popular vote of the American people in this election, with Bush. Another phrase comes to mind here, "Be careful of what you wish for; you just might get it, and not like it". Let's see whether you are better off in 4 years. I will be, but only financially. ----- I was staying away from any more political posts (people don't like strongly worded opinions because it's mistaken as arrogance; especially if their opinions differ), but sometimes you just have to center the info posted and to vent. Please excuse the ramble.




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[THE REEL HEY_YALL]

Bunch of tree huggin' hippies if you ask me.

[Phish_on]

& God bless us, every one !

(And it's "... CAN'T always get what you want")

Sure, as long as you can fuel up your Alumaweld and your 4X4, everyone else in the world can freeze, starve and go to hell. Oh what a wonderful world it would be !

I, I, me, me, MINE

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[Deleted User]

Thanks Phish, you made the point that I was about to make myself. It never ceases to amaze me the numbers of large vehicles (trucks and luxo cars) driving around on the roads on any given day.

My own father has a 24' custom Duckworth and a F350 4x4 and has been out of a job for months, yet he refuses to sell either even though he would make a profit simply because the price of fuel is too high and he wouldn't get the primo dollars that he wants for either. The profit from selling one now would pay off the other!

When people complain that they don't have enough money to fill their 4x4 or their jet boat with the 30+ gallon tank how am I supposed to feel sorry for them? I can fill you with sad stories of people who can barely make ends meet working 2+ jobs and I'm supposed to feel sorry for your 10 mpg self?

Gore should have run away with this one, but he didn't and it's no surprise. He betrayed those in the lower income (<$40K), the wealthy want Bush to give them more tax breaks, and there are enough people in the middle dumb enough to believe that Bush will actually help them out financially instead of doing some reading and learning the truth.

Sad, sad days.

[PeterMac]

Hey Fob, do you have to wear waders when you go fishing, or do you just walk on water? http://www.ifish.net/forum/images/graemlins/grin.gif



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[Deleted User]

PM: http://www.ifish.net/forum/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

I'm doing the best I can to make ends meet myself. My car gets 30+ mpg and my wife and I work our asses off just to make a house payment that we'd love to get out of if we could sell the manufactured home (can't). We fall in the sub-$40K category who knew better than to vote for Bush, because we know his past on the environment among other things. We knew better than to vote for Gore, who is a proud member of the newly-formed Republicrat party.

The best man for the job who ran this year was Nader, and he lost. Nader has done more for the US as a private citizen than either of those dolts have as politicians COMBINED. No one can successfully argue against this. He listens to the people and as a result is a voice of the people. The other two are controlled solely by Big Money.

I hope that you all find a way to prosper under whichever administration we end up with. It won't be easy. Unless you strike oil in the back yard digging post holes.

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[Timber Man]

RT-Enviromental issues??How about the mining on Sore's(I meen Gores) land.That has nothing to do with enviroment??????dont you understand Gore's whole deal is to take it to a date then they will ask congress to vote 1rep.1dem.then to break the tie the vise president votes!!!bingo LEFT we go.Dont you folks relize that the ballots in Florida have been counted at least 2 time some 5 times and BUSH is still ontop.Gore ask that alot of the military votes be thrown out why?Because they favor rep.and strong defense.I say if gore wants them all recounted lets tell him to quit asking for strong dem. areas to be counted....BUSH WON CONCEDE GORE.TM

[rob allen]

Bush= END OF WILD SALMON IN THE NORTHWEST!!!!!!

Whenever asked about dam breaching Bush said that "new technologies" would save salmon.

First of all Bush does not care about salmon or any enviromental issue. To him the earth is just a place to use and exploit to its maximum potential.
Second of all there are no new Technologies related to salmon recovery. What Bush means is that his plan means hatcheries the single best proven way not to restore salmon runs.
Extect to see the relaxation of enviromental laws. Expect to see new exploritory oil drilling in Alaska.
Expect an end to wild salmon and the destruction of native habitats in the northwest

[Deleted User]

New technologies? *** kind of new technologies is he going to do, breed them with birds and give them wings? Sorry, emu's don't have wings RT...

Or maybe he means that new technologies will be used to drill for oil and such that will kill the salmon, therefore making the whole arguement moot.

[THE REEL HEY_YALL]

Listen up hippies. You know who you are http://www.ifish.net/forum/images/graemlins/wink.gif A president deals with the government on a nat'l level and what problems we have with dams on our "localized" salmon population really isn't much of a concern to him because you also have to take into account those farmers who run their whole operation on electricity from those dams. I say screw dams all together and just start splicing atoms. Here is a man that comes from Texas that doesn't know salmon from salmonella, both you can find in the canned goods section..lol Then you have Gore who represents all those democrats who want to hike the gas tax up even freakin' more and you are whining about 30+ gal. fuel tanks can't fill up, well knock knock, democrats in, gas prices go up. You have to weigh the lives of people vs. those of animals. Sad, but true. Personally, I like animals better because they don't speak their .02 cents worth..lol Anyway, I just wanted to take this time to say "y'all are tree huggin' hippies" Every last one of ya's http://www.ifish.net/forum/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[Deleted User]

If you think that Bush doesn't want to keep gas prices up then you are crazy. All of his oil buddies in Texas don't make a profit on drilling for oil down there unless the price is this high (or higher).

As long as the price is high then he'll be pulling every string presidentially possible to drill all over the freaking place. On the bright side oil platforms might make good bass hiding places.

[THE REEL HEY_YALL]

Do you people honestly think that armageddon and diarrhea are upon you during the 4 years Bush will be in office? We didn't elect a king ya know. http://www.ifish.net/forum/images/graemlins/grin.gif Oil Drilling platforms actually make great habitat for barracuda and other fish.

[Timber Man]

fobb-What do you figure Sores plans are.Are you ******** nuts.He approved a deal so a company could explore oil in the tongas national forest.How about SS do you think over the last 8 years that the democratic party had the right to take money out of SS fund and put it in the general fund.I cant believe all you tree huggers.If you dont want more oil wells get you ******* @$$ out of your cars and WALK..TM http://www.ifish.net/forum/images/graemlins/mad.gif

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[garyk]

I always find it interesting that the pro-Bush, and right-wing types in general,immediately resort to name calling when someone disagrees with them.

It's tiresome, rather pathetic and shows how weak their arguments are.

[Timber Man]

Garyk you tell me who I called names.Its to bad all you lefties believe in CHEATERS and LIARS.I dont see you making any statements garyk....What do you know?

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[PeterMac]

Not only that Fobb, you will never get out of that MFG home, because you'll not be able to afford the lumber for your new home if Sore f^*ks up the harvest of timber we all depend on.

[Timber Man]

PeterMac-I hear that the tree hugging democrats have been trying to do that for years.The have already stoped alot of the state and forest sevice logging..And were did alot of the money go from the timber sales....Schools...and everyone votes to make classrooms smaller..If the money was there from the timber sales there wouldnt be a worry.

[PeterMac]

Amen TM. They'd rather pay for it through taxes than having a well managed forest. I believe that the feds just sent Oregon $150 million to make up for that lost forest receipt revenue you are referring to. Wonder where that money came from?????

[Phish_on]

My dad can beat up your dad.

[THE REEL HEY_YALL]

I just refer to namecalling because it's fun http://www.ifish.net/forum/images/graemlins/grin.gif Ya tree huggin' hippy. http://www.ifish.net/forum/images/graemlins/grin.gif O is a hippy, heck all y'all are hippies...lol I have been sent here to correct y'all. Why is it that all the hippies have to protest something new each week and actually lobby to get hackey sack noticed as an actual sport?

[THE REEL HEY_YALL]

Well I got your honor roll student drunk http://www.ifish.net/forum/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[DanS]

Oh no........IT IS ALIVE!! Dang, and I thought eating turkey for 6 days in a row would be the only problem I'd face in late November. But here we are and it's partisan sniping all over again. It's pretty obvious that we're all set in our ways politically, so wouldn't it make sense to give ourselves a break from the rise in blood pressure?

Just give me ONE STATEWIDE hand recount, including ALL absentees. That's all I want for Christmas...... http://www.ifish.net/forum/images/graemlins/grin.gif.

Fisn on........

[Timber Man]

Dan S-why a hand recount?Its funny how sore wanted a ton of absentee ballots thrown out but he wants ballots counted that might have a nipple....I mean dimple...Sore will do anything to win even if it means cheat.Problem is now all the ballots been handled so much I would say they are contaminated.How can a person decide who a person wants to vote for maybe they didnt want to vote for a pres.candidate at all!!!!Its called GORE IS A CHEATER..

[Phish_on]

Hacky-sack IS an actual sport. And I've been protesting the same dang things for 30 years and don't expect to stop. It's a pesky thing we call "social conciousness."

Let's see ... Dubya's brother is the GOVERNOR - The SECRETARY OF STATE is his Florida campaign manager - the legislature is controlled by the Repub.s - who needs to count votes, cheater or not! My money's on Bush (really -- I made a bet -- hope I lose).

Ya rednecks! http://www.ifish.net/forum/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Hey somebody start whining about gas prices again - do you know how much gasoline costs in the rest of the world ? God Bless America.

"...Got fuel to burn! Got roads to drive!
Keep on rockin in the free world!"

You think God builds highways ? Do you think benevolent billionaires donate them ? You pay TAXES for SERVICES. Get over it. Or in the words of my good friend Timber Man "get your %#$@ @$$ out of ^&%#@ your @#%$$ and %#$@^n WALK!" Or... talk to your legislators about public transportation. I suppose that would fall under the category of "Communist conspiracy" ... dang hippies

[Deleted User]

RE RE RE RE RE RESPECT EACH OTHER. I listen to these opinions and most of them have varying degrees of merit. It's their importance factor where we disagree. With overpopulation and dwindling resourses a fact of life on this planet either guy or party has an impossible task; they can only do the best they can with the cards dealt. And they are going to do what is best for them and their constituents. What our society is going to have to come to terms with is that everyone is going to have to make sacrifices in material wealth and relative luxury lifestyles in order for enough of our GNP to shift toward the survival of the masses on the big ball here. It's coming. We can't be ultra profit and power controled until we wipe it all out. It's a finite situation! The biggest profits in society should come to the solution makers, not the polution makers. That means sacrificies until the solution guys come up with better renewable resourse alternatives; with every aspect of life, including fishing. ..... That's about all I care to sqeeze out of the ol' mellon on here; unless there is just some must remove lame crap flung around. Let's keep this from getting too heated or into name calling please. If not, since it's gone too far outside the intended scope of this BB anyway, and flaming posts beget more flaming, I will lock this thread and we will move on to fishing. Thanks guys. - RT

[Phish_on]

RT for President !! WOO-HOOO!!
You rule, dude.
I'm going to go drown some eggs in the Clackamas tomorrow. "Film at 11."

[ If they don't bite we can play some 'sack ]

[ 'til hey_yall shows up to give out the "free haircuts" EEEEK ]

[Deleted User]

Quothed the TimberMan:

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>.If you dont want more oil wells get you ******* @$$ out of your cars and WALK<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

No thanks, I take the bus. What do you drive?

[GRUMPY]

How about a new election with all new candidates?
It's obvious to even the most casual observer that at least half of the people who bothered to vote will be unhappy with the outcome regardless of who wins this election.
How about filling the executive from a pool of qualified candidates chosen at random. Sounds kind of like compulsory national service, right? At least that would have kept Bill Clinton away!!!
Is anyone else unhappy with Gary Locke or am I all alone out here in right field?
No, don't answer that. Dude....call me or something, the Satsop is looking pretty good if it doesn't go chunky on us before sunday.
Ted http://www.ifish.net/forum/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[steelyhornhntr]

Timberman, how do you expect a fair election when SORE has only gotten 2-5 recounts in his HAND-picked counties? And he still keeps coming up short. I like what his sidekick(loserman) said acouple of days ago."We will handle this the American way, we'll sue them". What a pathetic attitude towards life. It is no wonder that there are so many lawyers in this world..If you don't like the results , just sue!!! Hey if I have to put up with Ms.Mariah for 6 years(ugh!!!) then you lefties can hang with Geo. for 4 years..

[Steve]

God it's great how I can crank up RT, for the record the Ram is a 92 has over 220K the boat is an 88 both were bought used.,but are paid for. Right now the price of diesel is thru the roof as it is also used for home heating, the only difference is the road tax, of .50 per gallon...If anybody wants the Merc 200 w/ pump, I would trade for a 150 long shaft. Don't much like white water much any more..anyway looking to move to the Alsea river....not a real need for speed..I have worked for a Government agency for 23 years,,,the first 8 were at poverty wages most of the time I was elgible for food stamps.. had to learn how to fish and hunt..to eat. Those who know me know I am well fed.. Rush is my Hero!

[THE REEL HEY_YALL]

Well I still got your honor roll student drunk, ya dang hippies http://www.ifish.net/forum/images/graemlins/grin.gif Ever since the gas price increase, I parked the accord and I cruise around Washington in my Hummer. Of course behind it is my 30' Woolridge jetsled with 800 horse motor http://www.ifish.net/forum/images/graemlins/grin.gif I wipe using $100 bills.

....We are Microsoft...We are everywhere....Resistence is Futile...You will be Assimilated.

[happybrew]

RT, sorry, but I gotta call you on this one. You said

"Considering that Gore won the nationwide popular vote...."

"As Dan S. pointed out above from his school history lessons, the guy who lost can become president because of the electoral college system...."

This is a confused view of our electoral system. If someone doesn't win the electoral college vote, they don't win, period. It doesn't matter what the popular vote for the whole country is. That's not what determines who wins. So talking about who "wins the popular vote" is talking nonsense. There is no winning or losing the popular vote. The only thing that matters is the electoral votes. If it weren't the electoral votes that mattered, we wouldn't be in the situation we are in. If it were the popular vote that mattered, it would be clear that Gore won. Because it is the electoral votes that determine the president, talking about the popular vote is irrelevant, and detracts from the issue at hand. If people don't like the electoral college system, they can always amend the Consititution.

happybrew

[Trick]

Hey-Yall, wasn't that you that I seen cruising down the backroads in a 84' Yugo with the 2-man rubber raft strapped to the roof? It was hard to tell it was you with all those Gore/Liberman stickers plastered all over the windows but when I seen that 9.99 Zebco special hanging out the back, I knew it was you. http://www.ifish.net/forum/images/graemlins/grin.gif By the way those hundred dollar bills you wipe with look alot like food stamps to me???? http://www.ifish.net/forum/images/graemlins/smile.gif

All in fun!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[scooby]

The only thing that we can say for certain about this debacle we call an election is that if the roles were reversed, nothing would change. Bush would want selective hand recounts and Gore would be calling it over and setting up a transition office.

The Senate will be deadlocked 50/50 when all new Senate elects are sworn in. But,regardless of who wins the presidency (Bush or Gore), the GOP will have control. If Bush wins Cheney will be the tiebreaker. If Gore wins, Liebermann will step down from the Senate and his replacement is a Republican, giving a 51/49 edge to the GOP. Somewhat irrelevant when you consider that there are alot of moderates in the Senate.

As far as Gore fighting the election, is it a debacle? YES. But, of course he is going to. He has lost the Presidency by less than 600 votes!! And with it his political career. Did I vote for Gore? No, but I think this is more of a survival thing for him.

I am somewhat confused by the salmon issue. From what I have seen the salmon, welfare, logging are more influenced at the state level then federal level. About three months ago salmon certain puget sound area streams were put on the endagered species act. They had to be "Naturally Spawning" salmon to be protected. Then the Federal goverment passed the power down to the state of washington for the particulars of how to implement their protection. The Hatcheries are funded by the state of washington and run by the state. And what has happened here over the last 20 years of Democratic control? (the last GOP Governor was Dan Evans I believe in the early eighties) It seems the salmon and steelhead have declined. Maybe I am missing something that the federal governement controls that affects the rivers here, and if I am I would appreciate it if somebody would inform me what that is.

Below are numbers, as compiled from 1998 tax returns, relating to wealth and taxes and published recently by the Joint Economic Committee.
I thought some of the board members would like to see them.

Important note: one tax return equals one taxpayer, whether or not the tax return is filed "single" or "Married filing joint".

Upper income taxpayers: (Income refers to AGI - the last number on page one of a 1040)

To rank in the top 5% your income had to be $114,729 or higher.

To rank in the top 10% your income had to be $83,220.

To Rank in the top 50% your income had to be $25,491.

The top 5% paid 54% of the income taxes.

These numbers were somewhat surprising to me, I thought they would be alot higher.

scooby

[Phish_on]

The 9.99 Zebco ! Man, I loved that rod, once the reel fell apart (first 90 days!) and I got a nice little old Mitchell on there - I caught SO MANY TROUT on that thing. It just had a great feel to it.
Then I snagged on something on the Deschutes, then the canoe flipped over ... I held on to the Zeb for quite a while, spooling out line, drifting toward hypothermia (early May) - finally threw it away and decided to swim to shore. Kind of matter of life or Zebco......

[Ray Wilcken]

Gore is just following the Communist tradition! Joseph Stalin maintained that:
"He who casts the vote decides nothing. He who counts the vote decides everything." If you keep counting the votes and devining what the voters really meant you can win an election! If you look up Karl Marx original communinst principles you will see that Gore and Clinton have pretty much followed them for the last eight years! Don't believe me? Look up the principles on the web!

[DanS]

Ray will be holding hearings before Congress soon. Ray's Committee on Unamerican Acts will sniff out the dirty, red, ******* amongst us and deal with them appropriately. If you are investigated and found to have none of the following:

1) 4 or more Hank williams Jr. Albums. CD's NOT acceptable.

2) The "Bigmouth Billy Bass" singing fish.

3) Any handgun larger than .357 cliber

4) A 1/2 case of Buckhorn or Schmidt beer in the fridge.

5) More invested in fishing gear than you have in the stock market.

6) Enough empty Copenhagen cans to stack taller than you stand.

7) Any video featuring Charleton Heston. Extra points given for Clint Eastwwod movies also.

8) Yosemite Sam mudflaps / Naked lady mudflaps also acceptable.

You will be jailed at a new maximum-security prison, which nobody will want to pay for or let be constructed in their "back yard". Possession of any of these items will surely show the committee that you are indeed a "true American", not one of these hippy, dope-smokin', ecological-type liberal ******* that are trying to make life rough on REAL Americans. First we'll get them artist types, then them Hollywood types, then we'll get the gays , and round em' up before the committee. After we deal with them, it's Clinton's turn. That ******'s middle name is Marx. Nearly identical policies, I've heard. Heck, Rush Limbaugh said it was that way and he has a fact-checker working for him.

Haven't we heard this speech before? http://www.ifish.net/forum/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif

Fish on.......



[This message has been edited by DanS (edited 12-02-2000).]

[Ray Wilcken]

Thanks for all of the "rhetoric" there DanS. Next time come up with something refuting the facts instead of ignoring them!

Why was Al Gore recently seen at Bonneville Dam? He wanted to find out from the fish counter how to keep up the Dam counting!

[DanS]

Ray,

It's not rhetoric. It's called humor. Kinda like comparing Bill Clinton to Karl Marx........ http://www.ifish.net/forum/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[Ray Wilcken]

They say there is lots of truth in humor!

[Deleted User]

Ray, it's tough to refute facts. It's not tough to refute non-facts; such as your non-factual reference to Gore enabling a possible election win by counting the votes. Thought I would enlighten you here just a little bit http://www.ifish.net/forum/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif Gore DIDN'T and WON'T count a single vote. They are re-counted by sworn election committee personel in full wittness of members of each party to varify proper counts. Sheesh. Aarrggg. Aaaahhhhccck. )@!#&_%(*. And geeeeeeeez! http://www.ifish.net/forum/images/graemlins/smile.gif Just being a little light hearted silly with a tired subject. And a little tired of silly claims too.

[Deleted User]

BTW, maybe it's time we take this thread over to the new www.pissandmoan.com (http://www.pissandmoan.com) website? It's going to be a great site to unload your rants and vents; both serious and humorous. The site is real, and soon they will have their national accessable BB forums up with departments to click on to **** and moan about every aspect of life on this planet. Political dept., domestic (slob husbands and nagging wives) dept., stupid car drivers dept., etc. etc. etc. http://www.ifish.net/forum/images/graemlins/shocked.gif http://www.ifish.net/forum/images/graemlins/grin.gif - Check it out.

[THE REEL HEY_YALL]

LOL LOL LOL LOL it couldn't have been me because I haven't bought a car out here yet, but I do have my eye on one of those...now y'all know I am a bank maggot so why in the world would you expect a person with any kind of flotation device strapped to his person to be me?

Well if those are the criteria...I am hereby announcing my candidacy for King...err...President of the United States of the South....err..United States of the Non hippy http://www.ifish.net/forum/images/graemlins/grin.gif Hey you leave my Zebco out of this..she might get her feelings hurt. Side note: Zebco's quality has really gone to dung in the past 20 years I have been around them....although zebco 33 classics are good reels, but if you save up another 20 bucks you can get a nice abu.