My boat got a Face err.... Butt lift. *DELETED*

[Tacklebuster]

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[fish_on]

Welcome to 2006 :wink: :cheers:

[Chrome Bumper]

That water might be getting in around the bolts holding the engine on. Looks great.

[Tacklebuster]

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[foxer]

WOW!!...I have to ask, what did that cost? I have that same hatch on my Tjet..I dont think mine leaks. I would love to have that done on my Tjet.

[As yet un-named]

Maybe you can get a larger diameter (thicker) O-ring? I'd try that first, since o-rings are about as good of a seal as you can get when they are properly fitted...

[Bait O' Eggs]

Chris, what did the offshore bracket look like before these latest modifications?

I assume what is different is the box structure off the transom that goes clear back to the motor under the deck?? :shrug: I am not versed in Seahawks and how they are put together.

The back of your boat looks a lot like the Offshore model my uncle bought. He gets closer to 5 to 10 gallons of water a day in the boat. He hasnt figured out if it is the access panel your suspecting, the bigger plate it screws into, motor bolts :shrug: or someplace else :bigshock:

I am not sure why NR puts the access panel there unless its to get to the motor bolts. :shrug: The tail of my boat looks a lot like yours except no acess panel and an exposed bolting system.

[Beefcake]

I'm with "foxer"; I'd like to know how much that mod cost (a PM is fine). I think that could solve some of my issues. Thanks.

[Tacklebuster]

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[Bait O' Eggs]

Thanks for the comparison pics Chris. What you have now looks to be a far better set up. :dance:

A little more floatation will be a good deal also. :cheers:

I am pondering getting some boxes made up that will fit under my offshore bracket to the sides of the center extension and float the rear of the boat a little higher. A few cubic feet on each side would make a big difference.

My Honda 225 weighs a little more :rolleyes: than most other guys motors on the same boat and I get water back up thru the scuppers when to much weight is put at the rear of the boat,(to many fishermen standing at the transom) and the motor sits lower in the water than I would like. :tongue:

[weekender]

Did they weld that plate flush with the existing bottom of the boat, or did they have to replace some of the bottom? Did NR do the work?

[crabbait]

TB - For comparison, here is an Edwing behind. Note that they welded two channels on either side of the extended "box" so that they could bolt the motor on and add/replace the zincs without entering the box. On the Edwing, there is no access to the support box at all. It is welded closed (no leaks!).
http://www.ifish.net/gallery/data/500/edwingstrn.jpg

[Tacklebuster]

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[Nalu]

Seems there was quite the debate about offshore brackets and how they were made awhile back.

Almar style vs NR style. This sure resembles the Almar style, not the NR style.....

Must be some reason a guy would have major work done to his offshore bracket....

[fishitis]

Chris - glad to see your boat ready for more action. We'll have to keep tabs for comparison, but sounds like all around positive. Did the spray off the back end get reduced as well?
Hope we can run together again soon. July 8 Newport - hali & tuna?
Good luck

[tomictime]

"Almar" style...

http://www.ifish.net/gallery/data/500/aft_almar.jpg

+ and -..do a search if you want the full debate...

JD

[Tacklebuster]

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[Tacklebuster]

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[tomictime]

Give me the meat of the debate if you would bro. Given my situation, I really needed the extra support and really didn't have an option.



The NR old style brkt probably provides for higher engine mounting and higher top speed. The Almar brkt w + flotation is probably the better choise for planning, flotation and increased running surface ride quality.

BTW, looks great :smile:

Jim

[Tacklebuster]

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[foxer]

Looks great. You now have the planing surface of a 23' boat.

[Nalu]

I believe the bottom line of the debate was the durability of an offshore bracket that was cantilevered versus a bracket that produced an extended running surface.

Seems like there had been people that experienced failure in the offshore bracket that was cantilevered by NR, and that NR produced a "retrofit" that was supposed to strengthen the bracket. I am not an owner, so I don't know the details.

I know that I ran a boat by Willie that had a cantilevered bracket, and it held up fine. I also own a Grady White that has a Grady Drive (cantilevered bolted cast aluminum) and Grady has a lot of these brackets that have held up fine. (as long as the transom doesn't rot)

So, this is not to say that a non hulled extended offshore bracket can hold up to the pounding of true offshore use, but it seems that some may be suspect.

[snit]

[/quote]I could really care a less about those extra goodies though, this should take care if my main concern.

[/quote]

I might of missed it, but what was your "main concern"? Did you have an actual structural issue? My Alumaweld has a similar cantilver bracket, and I haven't had any problems at all, but just wondering what your main issue was?

[Tacklebuster]

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[CATCH AND EAT]

Glad you gott'er done Chris. Looks great and NR came through again.

[Nalu]

Then you have no worries. Either you have problems or you don't. If you have had none, you are worry free.



Forgive me for being blunt, but that seems like as non-committal of a response as possible. I can only surmise by your retrofit that you had some sort of catastrophic failure of your offshore bracket. Perhaps that failure was due to running your boat in such a manner that exceeded the normal operating conditions, or it was because there was some sort of failure that was inherit in design or because of poor workmanship. You're seem to have worked something out with the manufacturer, so perhaps it was a good will thing or not. Since I work for a manufacturer, I have many times done things that are better for my company even though they are not a manufacturing issue. Some customers are best kept quiet even though they are themselves the problem.

So, willing to say WHY you had the change done? There's a lot of other people that own a boat with your former bracket.

[Chrome Bumper]

Nula
I thought he said, excess spray at speed, set low aft stopped, wanted to improve low speed planing and bouyancy.

Did not hear him say anything about the back of his boat wanting to fall off or him driving to fast or hard.

Crabit,
love the details for attaching your outboard and accesories such as zincs, gonna put that in the memory bank.


Ticklebuster
I got a old glass boat I am bolted a big ol' Johnson on, I was suprised how much engineering it took to get it done right. Over engineered, but I got a license to ride. If I would just quit fishing for a while I'de get in the drink.

A bracket that slopes up aft might ride up better when backing down, Maybe that's what the manufacturer had in mind when he cut it that way. Maybe he will rethink that.

The bottom of the bracket acts as a big trim tab, sound like you gotter right. The bouyancy can't be alot, looks like a coupla cubic feet max. 120#

[lucky2]

What'd they charge you for all that work, (if you don't mind my asking)

[Tacklebuster]

I do not appreciate nor deserve your last post Nalu.

Perhaps that failure was due to running your boat in such a manner that exceeded the normal operating conditions,




Some customers are best kept quiet even though they are themselves the problem.




To even post something like that is not being blunt, it is being down right hatefull.

I had some issues that involved nothing of what you speak of above. Issues that quite frankly are none of your business. If you think you need to bust my chops a little, save it till we run into each other at the beach and keep it off the internet.

Snit,
Let me rephrase my post to you. If you have had your boat for awhile and you have not experienced any issues like cracking around the braces or gussets of your bracket or anything along those lines, you are worry free.

[Nalu]

Tacklebuster- Dude, relax. My sincere apologies if you feel I was trying to bust your chops, I absolutely was not. What I was saying was 100% not in any way trying to be inflamatory, nor condescending to you. And please, if you're going to quote me to show that I'm being negative, at least include the entire sentance...
...or it was because there was some sort of failure that was inherit in design or because of poor workmanship.



I have never been out with you, nor seen you run your boat on the water. I was not trying to infer that something you did was the cause of a failure. What I was trying to point out is that there is always a multitude of reasons products fail, including:

1.Manufacturing defect- Product was defective from the start. Poor workmanship or quality control lead to failure.
2. Improper application- Product was not designed for the particular application that it is being used in.
3. Abuse/neglect- Product is in the correct application, but the use of the product at the extremes limits lifespan.

Again, the second quote you posted was once again not directed at you, it was just a general truth in product marketing, lawsuits, and general customer service. As a manufacturer whether it is your fault or not that there was a problem with your product, all the general public sees is a failure. It often makes more fiscal sense to work out a resolution to a problem regardless of whose fault it is.

So, Chris, my sincere apologies for the misuderstanding. To be clear, I was not trying to imply that something was your fault. You showed a major modification to a key area of your boat, and specifically stated that "you had worked something out". To me that implies you had a failure, perhaps structural, perhaps cracked welds and that the change was to strengthen the bracket. I guess that guess was wrong. Since I didn't see you say what the issue was, (maybe I just missed it in your post) but you did state that there was a resolution and I think most people would assume that the major modification was done by the manufacturer.

It's a rare thing when people don't want to talk about why they did something major to their boat.

Now...About meeting me on the beach. Sure, I'll buy you a beer at the Bulldog Saloon in Depoe Bay. I think you'd find that I'm not the type of person to "bust chops", especially over an internet forum. I certainly wouldn't want to take that as a challenge of some sort, that would sure be silly.

[Chrome Bumper]

Good looking brackets guys!

I have never seen a boat that didn't have a crack somewhere and around stern brackets would be a good place to start loOking if you wanted to find some. Many factor point there.

Now let's settle it, which is better, ford or chevy?