Powerstroke owner's and others...........

[WaterDog]

Since the fishing is slow and some are tired of the political threads maybe it's time to do some maintenance on the boat dragger.

So go out and change the oil, check the DCA level in your coolant, and change that fuel filter!

For everything you ever wanted to know about Ford Powerstroke's or any Ford diesel for that matter check out http://ford-diesel.com/ . The forums are like the Ifish forums. This site has literally saved me hundreds of dollars in performance upgrades and maintenance.

For parts check out http://dieselpage.com/ . Example: fuel filter $11.87 vs $27.00 off the shelf! These guys sell parts for all makes of domestic trucks.

And just so I don't seem too biased, here are some links for those that drive a Dodge or Chevy:
http://www.turbodieselregister.com/ (dodge)
http://www.62-65-dieselpage.com/ (chevy)

and for F150 owners: http://f150online.com/

If anyone has more to add, please do so.

[cureless]

This post is just a shame (JK). If we can be biased with politics then why not with our trucks? Lets make this fun and heat things up a little!

Its a good thing you Ford folks have a web site to save you some money you need all the help you can get.

Us Dodge guys dont need a site like that we dont break down as often.

Anyone have one of them electric gore trucks yet?

Man am I in a mood today, I have not caught a fish in 4 outings not even a nibble. I have a new truck (one month) and Ive done everything to it I can, TWICE!

RAIN! RAIN! RAIN! RAIN! RAIN! RAIN! RAIN! RAIN! RAIN! RAIN! RAIN! RAIN! RAIN! RAIN!

[WaterDog]

Now cureless thems is all most fightin’ words! The dodges are nice only but only if there’s a cummins under the hood. I, however would never give up my stroke and I have never had one problem with it. TONS of power and mileage to boot.

At least we don’t drive chevy’s…… hehe

[Dances]

Waterdog
I have drove a chevy not by choice it was forced apone me as my only form of transportation. Not to complain the darn thing did get me from place to place and thus saving hours of nagging my parents for a ride from place to place. But I will alway be a FORD guy. Consdidering that the chev was and will always be in and out of the shop. http://www.ifish.net/forum/images/graemlins/grin.gif Much to my parenst discomfort.

[SLEDDER]

I am a PROUD owner of a Cummins!! I am debating on getting a receiver cover. Should I get the one that says,"Remove to tow Ford" or the one that says, "Remove to tow Chevy" It is a pretty tough decision. http://www.ifish.net/forum/images/graemlins/grin.gif http://www.ifish.net/forum/images/graemlins/grin.gif http://www.ifish.net/forum/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[cureless]

I feel much better. This election and the debate that goes along with it is getting old. But slamin and disin other trucks is good natured fun.

Hey wheres RT on this, He drives a race car with a cardboard cutout merc kicker taped on the back?

PS: my truck is a dodge 3/4 V10 I wont be getting stuck on any more ramps and putins as in the past. Thanks to anyone over the last few years who helped pull me out everytime I got stuck. Ill be sure to return the favor to any fords/chevys I see stuck.

[fish_on]

Well speaking from a professional 5 years as an ASE master tech who worked on Ford, Chev, and dodge, and as a consumer who has owned a chev, and hauled horses with a chev and dodge. The dodge has the edge, more power, less problems, better milage. Ford has all around problems wiht their F250-F350 truck line and frankly it is crap. Chevy had lots of problems in the mid 90's with injection pumps when they whent all digital, boy did I replace lots of those. But this year they have teamed with IZUZU to produce the most powerfull diesel avaiable. 300 hp and 500ft/lbs torque. This is now the king of the road. Izuzu has a great reputation of building longlasting powerfull engines, like cummins also does. This new engine matched with Chevy's outstanding stlye and craftsmanship, will put it back where it belongs....in front. As for maintance on all the makes, I suggest AmsOil we run it on the farm in all our trucks and equipment and it has saved over $10,000/year in oil and filters. It also has greatly reduced the amount of waste oil we produce, making it enviromentaly freindly. I am sure there are dealers here in Oregon somehere. Bottom line drive a Chev or enjoy the view of a back bumper. http://www.ifish.net/forum/images/graemlins/wink.gif http://www.ifish.net/forum/images/graemlins/smile.gif

[Bait O' Eggs]

7.3 V-8 powerstrokes kick some 5.9 straight 6 Cummins tail pipe. Ford has got it going on right now, everybody else is playing catch up. Cummins is getting close, but that little motor is getting near it tweaked peak. http://www.ifish.net/forum/images/graemlins/tongue.gif Powerstroke has a lot of room to just keep on turning up the heat on them other boys. http://www.ifish.net/forum/images/graemlins/grin.gif

And Fish_on I have met you, so dont blow that cummins gooey stuff up my hiny. http://www.ifish.net/forum/images/graemlins/wink.gif

Can you tell I like powerstrokes? http://www.ifish.net/forum/images/graemlins/grin.gif

And after the motor, we can move on to the superior Ford body style, cab, etc etc....

[Fish4Fun]

This is the reason that I kept my older truck and put some money in the motor. The new trucks that the guys at work have Chev, dodge, and Ford were always having problems. I took my 86 GMC 1 ton 4x4 and worked the big block over to put out 425+ horses and 599lbs of torque. She will pull the 20 foot sled with no trouble, and the gas milage improved with the addition of all the horse power. High horse power and older iron, what a combination.

Fish 4 Fun

[Salmonator]

Near it's tweaked peak??? PLEASE! Do a little searching on the Dodge link above. A guy who goes by the handle HVAC dyno'd 610hp @ 1250 http://www.ifish.net/forum/images/graemlins/shocked.giflbs of torque and uses it as a daily driver. I think my 530 and some odd pounds of torque 6 banger has a little room to grow. You'd have Flowerpoke pushrods all over the ground with those numbers. Oh yea, and one of the other reasons I bought a Dodge was that ugly ford interior http://www.ifish.net/forum/images/graemlins/grin.gif You're right, this is fun... http://www.ifish.net/forum/images/graemlins/cool.gif

[Gone Fishin]

Check this out,

1984 GMC SIERRA 6.2 DIESEL (one of the few remaining).

3/4 Ton 4X4

22 MPG empty
17 MPG Pulling sled

157,000 miles and still going strong! http://www.ifish.net/forum/images/graemlins/smile.gif

[Fish4Fun]

Are you sure ?? 610hp @ 1250 lbs of torque, come on now those numbers are just a little on the hard to believe side. My big block is single carb on pump gas. After 12 years of drag race experience I know how hard it is to put up huge numbers on a dyno. Unless you run a Turbo or are Blown, horse power is tough to make. I will take just a good reliable 400 horse big block with a carb for it ease of maintenance.

[Salmonator]

I am only as sure as I can read I guess, check out the link below. The nice thing about a cummins is that for approximately $800 I can upgrade with bolt-ons and get over 600lbs of torque, with the newer HO motors it's probably around 650. BTW HVAC was running propane and nitrous when he posted those numbers. I guess my point was that these are tough motors... Sal http://www.turbodieselregister.com/ubb/Forum4/HTML/002459.html



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[Big Willie]

I can't wait to see what a 600hp Cummins would do to even a 1 ton Dodge. Why all that power in a pickup? I've got friends w/ stock Powerstrokes and Cummins, both will pull anything they want. I to am a believer in the old iron theory, my big block 78 Bronco will run circles around any of these new rigs, even my new F150 4x4. FORDS RULE, OTHERS DROOL!
-Gary

[First Bite]

You guys with the big new trucks can have em along with the payments. My older Ranger has 127K and is stronger now then ever. If I have a problem, I just pull the codes and see what it's unhappy about. Try and do that with a new truck.

Mark

[Spooled]

Funny how Dodge owners refer to their trucks as Cummins. I would be embarassed to say I owned a Dodge too. As for the Ford "Powerjoke", the name speaks for itself. Buy a Chevrolet with a gas engine and be happy. And you guys worry about aluminum boats being noisy!! (:

[Trout,myster]

Well now, we've found a hot button out there. Before I brag on my Dodge Cummins, I'll just say that prior I was a Ford man for years. Last one was a Supercab 3/4 ton with a 351 and a 5-speed. Not enough snuff to pull 4 tons of hay! Drove the Dodge and was sold. It has LOTS of power (stock) and for a fistfull of dollars, a change of electronics bumps it up beyond the Fords. I've chose not to do that after two trips to Paulina lake with a 2800 pound camper and 2500 pound boat. 60mph and 17.8 mpg going over Hwy 58 up to Paulina. No sweat. Empty in overdrive on I-5 it pushes 24 mpg at 65. It turns sharper by a long shot than Ford, and I really like the no-nonsense 4WD. It's all vacuum and engages without the 10 feet forward/backward that Fords need. I cured that on my last Ford with a thing called WARN hubs, by the way. I drove the Ford and drove the Dodge...came home with the latter for sheer comfort, power, attention to detail, and of course the reputation of Cummins. Outside of of this, I doubt it matters what it is, it's how it's taken care of. Diesels like CLEAN oil...it's cheap insurance. Plug him in at night when the temps drop below 50 or so, easier on the glow plugs and makes the heater more useful. Not sure about Amsoil, but I swear by Duralube. Don't know what's in it, but it's the most slippery stuff I've ever run into and the only "additive" that I've noticed a difference with. I love my Dodge, but respect the Fords, we all drive what we want.

Troutmyster

[WaterDog]

fish_on, I was refering to the Independant Front Suspention on the GM's. The duramax is what, 700lbs, lots more weight than a 454. Can the IFS handle it? Doubt it! I don't know how the guys at work have maintained thier rigs, just seems every 3 or 4 months their trucks are in the shop. I drove the crap out of my 93 f150, was a great, rig just not enough power. My 97 doesnt have that problem. http://www.ifish.net/forum/images/graemlins/cool.gif

Salmonator, I gotta respect those cummins, ESPECIALLY when BOMB'ed!

For those who have not had the privildge of driving a diesel you have no idea what your missing. There aint a gasser that can keep up. While you get 10mpg I'll get 15mpg draggin my boat an wont even break a sweat when I hit the pass, any pass! http://www.ifish.net/forum/images/graemlins/grin.gif Here that turbo sing!

Man the fishin better pick up soon!

[Salmonator]

Stlhdr, cycle a newer Dodge's key three times and any fault codes will read on the odometer. Spooled, had two chevy's and got sick of driving gutless trucks, although My 95' Z71 was my most comfortable and best driving vehicle yet.

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[Deleted User]

I recently came to the crossroads of either an overhaul of our '93 XLT Bronco that just rang up 100K miles or buying a new Dodge Durango with the Magnum V-8 gas engine (diesels are durable, except for occassional glow plug probs, and get good milage, but I really dislike the noise and smell!). I like the Durango's nimble mid-size handling and big truck towing capacity. The decision for me came down to the fact that both my wife and daughter, both petite, sit within about 10 inches of the airbag in the new trucks. NOT good, because they both drive it a lot. So I had the total engine major tune-up, new U-joints, new tires, new bakes, other things renewed, and it got a new tranny under warranty at about 60K miles. It's a nice piece of utility vehicle w/o the dangerous airbag; and trucks weighing over 5000 lbs. don't really need them anyway. While the Cummins is good, so are Dodge's magnum V-8s and the big V-10 Viper block engines. I think the Dodge is slighty better built than the Chev & Fords, but it is close. - As for using ntirous oxide, ickshnay! I've sat in my SS alongside them at the PIR drags and listened to them blow their motor up! It's cheap but risky power. Most of us have plenty of power, but I'd rather do simple stage one mods for more if needed. If you're on a power trip, spend the extra dough for a Pro-Charger or Paxton 6 lb. boost supercharger. Don't bump it to 8 lbs. like some of the guys at the races do. - Question: I had been burning about a quart of oil about every 500 miles using 10-30 wt. A mechanic told me that was quite normal for 100K on the motor and to switch to 15-40 wt. because he didn't detect bad valves or valve-stem oil seals, nor rings. It helped right away. If it gets worse later I'm told 20-50 wt. should take it up to 200k miles before major engine tear-down and rebuild likelyhood. Dustin, does that sould right to you? Thanks.

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[fish_on]

My final word, what ever you drive be happy with it, it get's you to where the fishing is so take care of it.

[Steve]

My brother, Juiciefruit has a PowerStroke and the only thing that gets stroked is his pocketbook....He started at 24 mpg and tweeked it down to 6 mpg....wants to know a good diesel mech...maybe tweek it to 3 mpg and more power...I have a Dodge/Cummins and suffer with 24 mpg and 22 pulling my 20' Alumiweld...them Fords and Chevys would be better off installing Cummins like Dodge, do it right the first time....

[steelie67]

Well boys Ive been a wrench for most of my life , and all that power you guys are talking about isnt going to do you any good if the truck doesn't hold up . You Dodge guys , how does it drive ? does it pull to the right ? 9 out 10 do . How are those brakes ? pull or a pulsation . Now you Ford guys , watch those rear brakes , all the new Fords have rear disc and they dont LAST LONG ! And they usually take the rotors with them . Chevy ?? Not many on this side of the hill , I think theyre more of a city rig..

[steelie67]

Oh ya , hey cureless don`t get that v10 too warm , or you`ll only be runnin on 9 cyl .

[Salmonator]

So then what brand does Steelie 67 drive..

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[steelie67]

Hey Salmonator didnt mean to jinks you on that tranny thing a few months back . Did they replace it free of charge or was it one of those Loomis warrantees ?? I dont have the pocket book some of you guys have so my driving privileges are restricted .. 77 CJ5 (everyday driver), 99 Explorer (wife's), 75 K20 (wood hauler)..

[Salmonator]

Now Chevy might be king of the road SOMEDAY but I don't see any durmaxipads on the road yet. And besides, after doing a little mild BOMBING to the old cummins i'm already putting out higher numbers than a stock chebby and outpulling my buddies Y2K powerstroke. Just have to be careful with that weak link between my engine and driveline, don't want to burn up another!! http://www.ifish.net/forum/images/graemlins/blush.gif

[WaterDog]

Yeah, we'll see how GM does with the new "Duramax" since GM has yet to produce a diesel thats worthy. And if chevy is so good why are the 97's some guys at work have in shop every 3 months and one truck has gone through 3 rearends? Hows is that car like front end going to hold up with the weight of a diesel? When I worked in the construction trade we had both fords and chevys. Ford was the only truck that could stand the abuse and work. One of the so called heavy duty one ton chevy's literally broke in half. Yup, great truck!

SLEDDER you'll be pullin more chev's than ford's.

There cureless, there's more fuel to the fire. Your right this is fun. hehe

Flame on!

[smilesforu]

I got a snack for your big trucks....toyota. Sure comes in handy in a tight space and hard to beat the gas mileage. The only draw back I ever seem to run into is when I take a big guy fishing they have to eat there knees to ride in my rig.

[fish_on]

As I alrady said the mid 90's chev diesel was junk. As for the rear ends, did they break them in before useing them hard? Did they do their scheduled services on them? The biggest problem I was that people did not break in their real axle before hooking up to their 20' sled of horse trailer. The factory sets the pinon alittle tight to avoid a whine when the axle starts to wear. If you do not go throug the recommended break in it causes a build up of heat and smokes the bearings. As for the front end, the cosmetics have nothing to do with the frame structure.

[fish_on]

RT, I wouldn't go heavier than 15/40, if you get 200k and are just burning a little oil be happy. Small blocks are a dime a dozen you can get a new or rebuilt pretty easy.

[Timber Man]

I have an 84 chevy 1 ton with a 6.2 diesel and have 319,000 on it and it still runs just fine with a little less power then new.The only things I have had to do is a water pump and and glow plugs multiple times.I change the oil and fuel filter every 2000 miles and the air cleaner everyother oil change unless I'm on alot of dusty roads in the summer then every oil change.It uses about 3 courts per oil change but that isnt bad considering it used about 2 when it was new.I have heard alot of bad stories on the 6.2 but mine has been great. http://www.ifish.net/forum/images/graemlins/grin.gifTM

[Salmonator]

steelie, I had a bad habit of towing my 5,600lb boat and trailer up the hills in OD. After bumping up the hp and torque a little I started slipping the TC. After taking it in to the dealer, they were in the process of doing a warranty replacement on the TC when they busted off a fluid line then cracked the tranny case using an easy-out to remove the fitting. They put in an entire new tranny. I can pull any hill at 70mph, but now I do it in third and have no slippage. Might go one size tires up and bring down the rpm's a little though. Those pizza cutters they put on the Dodges look kinda funny anyways... Sal

[Hookset]

The truck of the future is here!! And it's not a Dodge or Ford. Yep, it's a GM Duramax Isuzu/Allsion truck in your favorite configuration. I drove the new Duramax last Wednesday with a Isuzu diesel and the 8.1 vortec. VERY impressive trucks. General Motors has upped the anty in the biggest and baddest truck wars.

Make no mistake about this truck. This truck has been redsigned from the frame up. Before laying out some cash for a new truck, check the Duramx trucks out first, you won't be dissapointed unless you read the sticker price first. :-)

Now.......how can a guy make a fast 40k?

hook

[Spooled]

Hey RT. You will use less oil going to 15w40, but it does not flow nearly as well as 10w30 during startup. 90% of your engine wear occurs at start up. The faster the oil gets to all the lubricated parts at start up, the better. In this area, I would stick with the 10w30 until summer, and live with a little more oil usage. In summer when the temperature is warmer, the 15w40 would probably be O.K as it won't be as thick in the morning as it would be in winter. I would be more concerned with protecting the main and rod bearings than the oil burning. You might try some of the synthetics like Mobil 1. In G.M. tests they flow much more readily at low temperatures, yet seal piston rings at high temperatures better. You should also use less oil with synthetics as they do not burn as readily. They keep your engine much cleaner also. I know they cost more, but I think a 10w30 synthetic would be the best answer to your question. Brand is a personal preference.

P.S. I work for Chevrolet, so my last post was just to stir it up. http://www.ifish.net/forum/images/graemlins/grin.gif No harm intended. Dodge and Ford have been killing us lately with solid, well built trucks with engines and in some cases it sounds like suspensions that customers want. The Duramax should help us, but they will be scarce for a while. The Big Three all build great products, and it shows by the number of them on the road.

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[Deleted User]

Thanks Fish_on and Spooled for the info! I won't go with 20-50 later on then. As for now, I thought about the Mobile 1 synthetic (it's all I've ever used in my Camaro SS) but I recall hearing that if you switch to synthtetics it's best to do it early and not such a good idea after so many miles with regular oil. Anyone know the facts on a switch? Thanks. - RT

[Salmonator]

Steve, I have heard that it is better to run regular oil (some say even cheap oil) until your motor is reasonably broke in. Then put in the spendy stuff. If you start out with synthetics, everything is too super-lubed to break in properly. Joe

[Deleted User]

Joe, my situation is opposite though. My Bronco has a 100K on the engine and only has ever run normal oil. My Q is if it's OK or not to switch to synthetics after all this time with normal oil?

[Spooled]

Hi RT. The synthetics today are way better than the early ones. The thing you might notice is that your oil will darken quickly at first. It is just the cleaning action of the synthetics and will slow down as your motor cleans up. The synthetics should be fine with your SUV. Early synthetics had trouble in older engines in that they got past oil seals and leaked. This problem has been addressed by virtually all the oil manufacturers today, and should not pose a problem. Valvoline recently released an oil for older engines with leaks. It has seal conditioners in it to keep them pliable. As for using synthetics in a new engine, all Corvettes come factory filled with Mobil 1. Once again, the new oils addressed this problem also. You didn't mention what year "SS" you have, but recent models use virtually the same engine as the Corvette. The reason they didn't come with Mobil 1, has to do with underhood temperatures that are much higher in the Corvette. It will work fine in the "SS" too. Hope this helps. Sorry we got off the truck issue for a second.

[Fish4Fun]

Salmonator,
I went to the site that you gave for the mega horse/torque Dodge. All I can say is WOW http://www.ifish.net/forum/images/graemlins/shocked.gif that was one heck of dyno pull they were doing with this truck. I have been around big horsepower drag race motors so I know what it take to make numbers like that. Like they said at the site this truck was awesome to see. The old sled would be flappin in the breeze with this brute.

Fish 4 Fun

[First Bite]

Steve
Switching your Bronco over to synthetic oil will be fine. If your engine "leaked" oil, then it would leak more if you switched to synthetics due to their inherent properties. Mobil 1 would be a good choice. I run synthetics throughout the whole drivetrain and have noticed an increase in mileage.

Mark

[Salmonator]

Yea, that one guy said it sounded like an F-18 taking off. Woulda been scary to stand by it...

[SandySteel]

This is going way back to Cureless's first reply to this post. I was reading in the Oregonian that his beloved Dodge will be the first to come out with a Hybrid truck. It seems that the Durango (their SUV) will have a hybrid line added to it. So the consumer could buy either hybrid or all internal combustion. I mentioned to my wife that the artilcle pointed out that if legislation went through that through tax incentives it would be priced the same as the standard truck. My wife's question to that was ... "could it pull a boat?" I think I finally have her trained. http://www.ifish.net/forum/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[fish_on]

Has anybody driven any of the fuel cell powered trucks? I think that is the wave of the future

[Timber Man]

Question-anyone ever use cenex 518 superlube?TM

[Mr. Fisherman]

http://www.ifish.net/forum/images/graemlins/confused.gif Lets see, FORD,
Mine was First On Race Day, My friends Cobra Jet boat was Found On River Dead http://www.ifish.net/forum/images/graemlins/shocked.gif, and many times my truck was Found on Road Dead.

As for Chevy's, proud owners would rather Shove It than Leave It. http://www.ifish.net/forum/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Dodge, If I could afford one I would have to park it in front of the window and dream about all the places I could take it if it weren't for the payment.

I loved my Jeep TJ Sport but I bought a boat and the Jeep wasn't rated to pull it. short wheel base was a problen too.

Now I have an Xterra. Pulls my boat over the pass with no problem.

Now I need a better boat....

I still miss my Jeep http://www.ifish.net/forum/images/graemlins/frown.gif

How about a Hummer..... http://www.ifish.net/forum/images/graemlins/cool.gif

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[Deleted User]

Mr. F, other than some dirty oil this has been a clean thread so far. Let's leave that last Q of your's to political threads (you know, the important political stuff like the Monica and Bubba story). http://www.ifish.net/forum/images/graemlins/smile.gif http://www.ifish.net/forum/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif http://www.ifish.net/forum/images/graemlins/smile.gif

[WaterDog]

RT,
I switched to Mobile 1 in the wifes 93 Explorer at 70k. Runs like a champ and slurps no oil. I change the oil filter every 3k and the oil every 12k.

Nice comment on the hummer, hehe http://www.ifish.net/forum/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Boy you guys are pretty civil about this truck thing. I've seen posts get lock and deleted cause it got too nasty!

[Dances]

hey I hate to say it but chevy's suck!!!!
Friends dont let friends drive chevy's!!

[Deleted User]

Thanks for that feedback on the synthetic Waterdog. I think I will try that next oil change. As for Ifish civility, hey most of us are above getting into an argument over who drives the best truck! But the opinions are fun. And helpful.

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[Chaps]

. . . . best deal going is the pre-Powerstroke Ford diesels. Find a cream puff and put a modern turbo on it. Goes like a ***** ape without the complexity and expensive service costs of a stroker.

[Osprey]

Mrs. Os drives a jeep Cherokee with the straight 6 tons of power and torque,
wish I got to drive ot more mamma don't like it when I drive it ,hates the places I take it,it goes anywhere http://www.ifish.net/forum/images/graemlins/grin.gif
This big Os. drives a 76 F-250HD 4X4 with a 390 now thats an engine,and when I pop the hood all I see is motor ,no plastic,no pollution crap http://www.ifish.net/forum/images/graemlins/frown.gif Old Fords Rule http://www.ifish.net/forum/images/graemlins/grin.gif

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[Deleted User]

Well you Chivy and Dawge fans (actually I like the Dodges) will be amused to know my can't afFord Bronco went lame late last week and cost me a trip to the Cowlitz Sat. http://www.ifish.net/forum/images/graemlins/mad.gif I have it figured to be clogged injectors, maybe fuel filter, because we recently went to the 10% alcohol oxygenated gas around the Portland metro area and that tends to dislodge gunk into the lines. Hope to get it fixed tomorrow. Any other ideas why it began idling rough earlier in the week and just got worse every day until it was sputtering rough at rpm's quite a ways above idle (we had a major tuneup with new ignition system parts thru out around early June)? - RT

[Pirate]

RT
Have you been using that Texaco stuff they call gas by chance? I've had nothing but $$$ problems with that fuel(boat and truck) before I wised up and stopped using it. http://www.ifish.net/forum/images/graemlins/mad.gif

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[Chaps]

Oh man! thanks for the comment on Texaco gas. I ran my Honda 90 on it all summer and didn't realize how lousy it was running till I filled up with Chevron last time, now it's purrin' like a kitten. Now I know I'm not just dreamin'

[Deleted User]

Thanks NB. I wasn't aware of that. I've always tried to use Chevron when convenient, Texaco 2nd, and BP 3rd. No Arco, Shell, or independants for me. The closest station to us is a Texaco and I have been using it more; also because the Sunset Chevron closed down. Guess I'll have to watch my gauge a little closer and stop into Chevron's when I see 'em. Thanks guys! BTW, a knowledgable guy told me tonight that I shouldn't have put Chevron Plus gas additive in the tank because it's full of alcohol and probably was part of why it got clogged worse. He says Fords are particularly adverse to the additive. - RT