RT giving secrets on other sites

[Ramstrong]

It looks like MR RT has been spreading info on hot spots on other websites, and not passing the info onto his loyal flock here. http://www.ifish.net/forum/images/graemlins/smile.gif I am assuming that he is trying to protect the streams from the masses that use this site, so I have removed all specific information below. But this is good guideline information. I have noticed the same thing in the interior streams. Coho are and have been booking upstream on eagle creek. The first couple of weeks in the season there were almost no fisherman and a lot of fish in eagle creek. Before they got hammered by snaggers there were a ton of biters available. Unfortunately once word got out, it spread quickly, and it took a big nose dive. I can understand RT's logic in not posting here, but at the same time a little dissapointed. I haven't been able to fish any of the costal rivers this year yet, due to time/ budget constraints, but information like what's below may have prompted me to try a little harder to get a trip going to a coastal river. Below is most of RT's post.

An unusal situation has occured on the **** R. (and possibly other coastal rivers) this fall. Instead of stacking in tidewater the fish have gone up in good numbers on the 2 small freshets we've had this month. If the big storm weren't predicted for this weekend, starting Fri. afternoon, I wouldn't reveal this secret (due to snagging potential and because I want the fish left for me). From about the **** Hole on up river towards **** deadline, there are a lot of 'Nooks in many of the big deep holes. Most have turned a little grey but there are a few mint bright fish. Another unusual thing is that we hooked several of these fish by floatfishng eggs Tuesday, yet couldn't get them to hit size 30 Hot Shots, K-14's, or size 4 Vibraxes in various colors; all of which normally work well in low clear water. They were just in the baitbite mood. Of course that can change quickly though. --

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[letsfish]

RT can express his opinions,thoughts,or fishing knowledge where ever he wishes........just like you http://www.ifish.net/forum/images/graemlins/smile.gif

[Osprey]

He'll do just about anything for fresh Eggs http://www.ifish.net/forum/images/graemlins/grin.gif http://www.ifish.net/forum/images/graemlins/smile.gif http://www.ifish.net/forum/images/graemlins/wink.gif http://www.ifish.net/forum/images/graemlins/tongue.gif http://www.ifish.net/forum/images/graemlins/shocked.gif

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Row quietly and fish a Cataraft !!-------<'))>><
Release all Wild Fish

[Ramstrong]

So Os you think it's part of an Egg conspiracy do you. I heard he'd do about anything for a jelly donut also. Hmmm should we start to invest ind Dunkin Donuts stock? http://www.ifish.net/forum/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

Sorry Giz, I stand corrected, Chocolate covered creme filled. What about sprinkles?

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www.xprt.net/~ryandsar (http://www.xprt.net/~ryandsar)
ramstrong@hotmail.com

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[Osprey]

I know he has a weakness for donuts,but he will drive a lot farther for eggs ,next time you drive by my house RT stop by http://www.ifish.net/forum/images/graemlins/grin.gif http://www.ifish.net/forum/images/graemlins/grin.gif

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Row quietly and fish a Cataraft !!-------<'))>><
Release all Wild Fish

[Nanook]

And I thought it was fresh EMU steaks! http://www.ifish.net/forum/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[Deleted User]

Thanks Ryan Armstrong. Remind me not to tell you about my childhood! - Since our BB is now the most read in Oregon and much of the NW, I honored the request of the 2 guys that took me to the fish that I not post it on our BB. The post was on a new BB w/o a lot of posting yet, and was spontaneous to a specific Q about that river, with the thought that it would quickly change anyway with the big storm predicted. And NOT "other websites" plural as you put it! ...... So there http://www.ifish.net/forum/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

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Know fish or no fish. - RT

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[Ramstrong]

No secret is safe Steve! http://www.ifish.net/forum/images/graemlins/shocked.gif Military intelligence isn't a total Oxymoron, ok maybe it is. http://www.ifish.net/forum/images/graemlins/confused.gif But every once in a while we would get lucky. The only way people would know where you were fishing is from reading the other board, I gave 0 location other than it is on the coast somewhere. Besides if you want a board with no readership post on mine. Only my family reads it. Last week I got my first post from someone other than myself. So I figure that's an accomplishment. http://www.ifish.net/forum/images/graemlins/smile.gif

[Deleted User]

OK Ryan, I took your first slam in stride and gave a truthful reason why I didn't share this with the BB. Ifish members Mark and John would prefer to have not shown me the situation if I didn't indicate to them I would leave it off our BB. Honorable reason. And I can keep plenty of secrets!!! But you can't let it go at that?!? The other single, not plural as you desribed, BB is in infancy and very low read as of yet; unlike their other function it's linked from that does get read. Ryan, tell us, do you think I have shared enough info to you and the members of our BB, including egg cure secrets and other things that are sacred to almost all serious fishermen? If not informing you of the above info, that I held in confidence to those that gave it to me, bothers you all that much, I suggest you can very easily switch to reading other BB's instead. - RT

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[Hammer Bob]

RT, I don't think anything in Ramstrong's posts warrants the anger you are conveying in your posts. I think you are overreacting! Kinda like you did on the Hemmingway post...lighten up! my $.02 worth

[Deleted User]

Thanks for your opinion Bob, but I disagree with you on this one. I reacted fine to Ryan's tattle tale, without him finding out the honorable reason why first via my available e-mail. That he just couldn't leave it alone deserved the reaction he got. And I'm getting pretty tired of being held to a higher standard than others on here because I'm the moderator. I'll address affronts to me just as others do if I please Bob. I've given out a heck of a lot of info out on here for free that other serious fishers would hold sacred, to the point I've taken some heat from fishing friends about it. To have to now take heat for not sharing enough is pathetic. If enough of the members agree more with you than with me, post it here and I'll defer my impossible position here to someone else. That would benefit me more and some new members less at this point. But I have loyalties to the many members here that actually deserve it! - RT

[Hammer Bob]

RT, I certainly didn't mean to ruffle your feathers any more than they already are. I think everyone realizes the amount of time and effort you have put into this site to make it a success. This has been borne out in the many thank you posts to both you and Jen. I guess when I read through the posts I just don't see the personal attack that you do. By all means if you feel that you have been slighted then you must respond as you see fit.

[Deleted User]

Thanks for your reply Bob. I agree with your second post about replying as I see fit. And I did indeed see an obvious unnecessary slight. Twice! My first reply was an explaination. Only my second reply was there due anger shown. Unfortunate. - RT

[OneLastCast]

RT:
Just came in the house, I was listening to a mama coyote teaching her pups to howwwwwwl.

Let's start off right. Although I am a shrimp man for steelhead I thought your post on the chemical eggs was excellent. I appreciate the info. I have tried a lot of cures (jello, sugar, pro, etc.) and am now curing my chinook eggs with Shur Cure. I may try your wash. Thanks for the tip. You also have a fine bulletin board here that seems to be quite active. That should indicate the intelligence of the participants.
But I agree with Hammer Bob in that you over reacted. Maybe Ramstrong was asking why that post wasn't posted here? Since we have become a large bickering family it hurts to see info withheld from us but given to someone else. It is very tough to post the location of where the fish are biting and a lot of us are just getting used to it.
And now this is going to **** you off but regarding the higher standard set for you because of you being the moderator. Does that higher standard include all of the things (being limp somewhere else, expose'(sic) pants'd) that you posted on Hemingway assuming it was me. If that is a higher standard it is not hard to beat. I noticed that now that you know who Hemingway is you haven't taken your foot out of your mouth to say it wasn't me.

Keep up the good work RT. Realize that we do consider this somewhat of a family affair and would like to hear what our family is telling the strangers.

OneLastCast

[Deleted User]

OLC, I don't know who Hemmingway is. I only jokingly said we've become e-mail pals because of some e-mail back and forth to a moniker. Since you apparently missed my appology for my insinuation, I appologize again. But we will have to take your word that you aren't Hemmingway. No one else has come forth for the honor. You put your pants back on didn't you? http://www.ifish.net/forum/images/graemlins/smile.gif (jk) - RT

[Deleted User]

Ifish members:

I am one of those guys who reads here regularly but only posts rarely. I feel like replying to this. Bob this was an obvious tattle tale move and knock at RT and then when he got a good explain of why it was left off this bulletin board he knocked RT again. I would have defended myself too. He is right that some of you hold him to unfair standards. Play fair. Appreciate all that he has given to the members of this site. OneLastCast you have been a strong critic of the credible information RT brought to this site about the election's likely affect on our fishing and environment. Did you just want him to take your words and say nothing in return? Give him and us a break! Same for whoever this Hemmingway person is. It was very obvious to me that this person was of the opposing political view and tried to take a disguised cheap shot at RTs political positions. For Hemmingway credibilty he or she lost it when they said the next chapter was going to be a punishment for RT giving his political opinions and then did an about face to say they were actually going to make him and Jennie heros. Ya right. So give the guy a break some of you poeple. It's a difficult role to do well and RT does it very well!

Castaway

[whitewaterbill]

Castaway said it all for me. Chill out RT and keep up the good work! You will always be a target on the big board....so rise above it and keep on telling us what ya think! I am sure you will have the tallent to tick more of them off....but that don't matter...it is still your opinion and we want to here it on this page!

Tell Hemingway if he wants to ride on the SLUTGODDESS he must pay his dues or stand on the dock and watch!

I am not sure if he rambles with humor or is just working to a secret agenda!!!

This **** only goes fishing with the best of them and you are at the top of that list!

Keep up the good work and we love to hear what you have to say!

Bill

[Jennie@ifish]

If you guys make RT mad and make him quit then I will give all you ifish addicts a lesson. I will shut down ifish! POOF! GONE!
Be nice to RT!!!
I think that he responded appropriately here and I would have done the same.
Someday, I when the budget allows, I would love to pay R.T. for his time. If he is paid, for it, then you can beef all you want. Until then, R.T. has the right to post whatever he feels, wherever he feels he can help.
I am glad he shares on other boards!
Jen

[Fishin Magician]

RT was only keeping his word to a couple of other of ifish members,including me.I read the other board and thought "What is this!" until I got the real story. Keep up the good work Steve and dont take any B.S. http://www.ifish.net/forum/images/graemlins/wink.gif (you know what I mean http://www.ifish.net/forum/images/graemlins/wink.gif) ......John

P.S. fishing was slow today on the wilson,only two dark nooks.

[HOGTIDE]

Jennie,
Nice STRONG reponse!!!! I'm with ya.

[OneLastCast]

Castaway:
I am glad you posted. Get involved.
What are fair standards? And how have we violated them. RT is like someone who owns a business, no matter what he does someone is going to think he is wrong. Doesn't mean he is (but doesn't mean he isn't)
And you are right, I have been a strong critc. But, look at my posts. What have I been a critic on. I have critisized accepting ONE source of information from a fringe group without verification (and if you read the posts you will see I feel the same about the far right as well as the far left). You want to call that information credible then that is your perogative. It may be and it may also show a trend. But if you also look at the website shown, of the seven senate bills listed on the "2000 National Environmental Scorecard" 4 of them were riders to other bills and two of them were amendments. Don't you think that just maybe the impact of the actual bills (not the riders) may have a bearing on how the votes were tallied? Maybe yes or maybe no. It would seem to me that you would want to know.
As far as expecting RT or anyone else to take my words and say nothing in return...absolutely not. If I wanted that I would just get my wife mad at me and then try to find out what is wrong. The whole intention was to get a response. Granted the response got a little personal at times but I have since searched the web for info on the side effects of codiene and I now seem to understand.
It is obvious that RT is passionate in his beliefs. That is good. (RT don't you love us talking about you as if you weren't here?) I don't mind being taken to task for my own opinions or actions. Just don't apply judgement on me for something that I don't control.

And RT I finally got the blush off my cheeks and got my pants back on. Things were starting to get a little chilly.

OneLastCast

[OneLastCast]

One other thing RT,

In several of your posts you stated that at least you have the cojones to state what you think. I laughed to myself at the time but you are absolutely right. It is always nice and for the best to know where anyone stands, whether we agree with each other or not. If things are always kept in the open then they can always be worked out.

Keep doing your job....thats what keeps people coming back.

OneLastCast

[Jeffhead]

One can post where ya want, what ya want, when ya want, and our FRIEND Steve is no exception!!! Yes this has become a family but there are other boards out there that have "families" and they get there toes stepped on and have fueds just as any family would. What is at issue here is our "big brother" didn't share something with us. http://www.ifish.net/forum/images/graemlins/frown.gif I guess we better just get over it!!! I gotta wonder why the issue was even posted in the first place!!! http://www.ifish.net/forum/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif Steve, you will never be able to please all of the people all of the time and when you try to do that you end up not pleasing ANYBODY and then looking like an a** for trying, so keep up what you are doing, where you feel like doing it and when you feel like doing it!!!
The issue of posting "secret holes" came up on the PPBB in the last week when someone asked for directions to a fairly well known hole over on the Oly Pen, someone responded and got slammed by some of the other members. Personaly I will post the tech that I can share and depending on which river will tell ya where to go and what to use and sometimes even which rock to stand on, it all depends on the situation!!! I'll talk all day long about the Cowlitz, the Columbia and if I knew more about it the springers on the Willamette too. It's not like you will let the cat out of the bag!!! Now on some of the smaller local rivers, you'll get the zipperlip treatment out of me but that's my personal choice, just as it was Steve's choice to post on the other board and not here at the request of his friends. I am sure that you have been asked to do the same and have complied with that request by friends of yours, I know I have.
Jeff

[First Bite]

I can't believe some of the stuff I've read on this post. I was one of the guys that fished with Steve a couple of those days on the Wilson. We were fortunate to run into some fresh fish when a lot of people were not having any luck. Everyone has their favorite honey pot holes that they would prefer to keep that way and Steve respects that. Anyone who has fished with him knows this.

If I wanted to fish a certain river, I sure wouldn't base the trip on one fishing report. Grab a map of the river. Call the local tackle shops. Put in some time on the water with a guide. Or just put on your waders and hit it.

Steve is a moderator of a board and that's it. Some people really need to realize this and quit expecting him to be the do all or tell all for the NW fishing community.

Mark

[Gizmo Man]

Ramstrong:

Get your facts correct. Is was not a jelly donut. It was a chocolate covered cream filled donut. I don't know what he'd do for just a jelly donut. http://www.ifish.net/forum/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Giz...

[Salmonator]

I have nothing to say about RT's dognut habits. While on my way to fish with him last month, I devoured an entire box of hostess powdered jelly's between Monmouth and Lincoln City. And I believe he said that he had one maple bar that morning. I don't know why I buy those things, I absolutely cannot stop eating them... Sal

[Deleted User]

It's nice to read some supportive posts! Thanks. Hey OLC, you're right, it's kinda weird reading others talk about me. It's kind of like an out of body experience. I would rather have an out of pants experience to be honest with ya. You know what I mean http://www.ifish.net/forum/images/graemlins/smile.gif . Geez, this is the second thread involving my participation on Ifish matters recently that has turned unfortunately negative. I won't appologize for reacting with a stern explaination of what went on and why after the tattle tale posts. But I will say that I will try not to over-react to the apparently inevitable hits an opinionated person will take. SO now I ask myself and members to once again lighten up around here; and think a little more before you post things! - RT

[dawhunt]

GEEEZZZZ!!!!!!!,whats with all this argueing,Can't we just get along ???I would never give up my secert place the washougal should start produceing some steelhead and silvers now OOOPPSS!!! now you know too.and the lewis is still kicking out some really nice silvers yet--Damn,I did again http://www.ifish.net/forum/images/graemlins/smile.gif http://www.ifish.net/forum/images/graemlins/grin.gif http://www.ifish.net/forum/images/graemlins/smile.gif.Anybody seen my EMU ??? http://www.ifish.net/forum/images/graemlins/grin.gif


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Bob Dawson

[Osprey]

Holy Catfish batman,
A man is only as good as his word!!!
Steve and I have exchanged many a conversation on topics and rivers that don't make it on the BB,
Jeffhead said it like it is....live with it
I know it's hard put we need to learn to share Steve http://www.ifish.net/forum/images/graemlins/grin.gif http://www.ifish.net/forum/images/graemlins/grin.gif
Some of us need to get a life
hang in there Steve.....
hugs and Emu Kisses
http://www.ifish.net/forum/images/graemlins/cool.gif Os http://www.ifish.net/forum/images/graemlins/cool.gif
Assistant Director of Animal Husbandry for Ifish.net

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Release all Wild Fish

[Ramstrong]

Wow! I came into work this morning and found this. RT, I hope you didn't take what I said personally. I guess I just have a wry sense of humor, sorry didn't meen to be abrasive or slam you in any way. I guess going back and re reading over my posts it could be construed as such. But I in no way shape or form wanted to offend you RT. And I will be locking the post now.

[Pete]

Yeeks, a Halloween firestorm!
Aren't we all lucky that Steve get's around but still has the time and interest in this BB? I hope he continues to enjoy his commitment to this board, cuz I can't imagine very many people that could bring the fishing knowledge, editorial balance and deft sarcasm that helps keep this board so much fun.

[SailCat]

RT, you are widely respected and admired for your knowledge and integrity. I would like to thank you for the kindness you shown, the help you've offered and for your friendship.

To our dear ifish friends, we are not strangers to you, nor you to us. We're all part of the family and the extended fishing community. Much thanks to you as well and a special *thank-you* to Jennie.

~Michael T.
(That 'other' board) 8-)

[Trick]

I'd offer RT a spot in my boat, but he takes up to much room and then where would his Emu sit? After the talk about the out of pants experience he wishes he had and all the talk about his flings with an Emu that I've heard about??? It conjours up a really nasty image and I'm not sure that I would feel comfortable around him. Ya know, maybe he really does take to much crap from everyone....but like the energizer bunny, he keeps going and going. http://www.ifish.net/forum/images/graemlins/smile.gif http://www.ifish.net/forum/images/graemlins/smile.gif http://www.ifish.net/forum/images/graemlins/smile.gif

[Gizmo Man]

RT is one of those guys who invites personal attackes because he is like most of us. Out for a good time and a desire to return information to those in need and because he has a warm friendly personality accompanied by broad shoulders.

If we all think back, someone had to show us the way. We did not wake up one morning and somehow learned it all in a dream.

It is payback time. Some do volunteer work in hospitals, libraries or other places. Many on this board do their community service here. Educating those who need help, ask questions and show their appreciation with a "simple thank you".

I know I poke fun at RT. I know I can do so as in just 2 fishing trips with him we developed a good bond.

RT., you said you were tired of being held to a higher standard. I would like to say, you do not have to act or perform at a standard other than that which you want to set. You are just like those of us who freely share information. You only have to share what you want, when you want and where you want.

To those who feel you owe them something simply because you volunteer your time to be the board moderator, I suggest you tell them to go straight to HE@@. You don't owe any of us anything. I think we owe you a big THANKS for the time you choose to spend here.

For those who choose to attack those on the board simply because they offer an opinion different than yours, I remind you that it is an opinion...that is all. Before you launch into a public discussion or distruction of someone's opinion ask yourself: how important is it? have I considered their point of view? and of all importance for this bb, how does it relate to fishing? Isn't that why we are all here. You want to bicker with someone, go to your office and bicker with your boss. After all, aren't they PAID to take the crap????

Hang in there RT. Oh, by the way, here is my THANK YOU!!!

my $0.04 worth.

Have a great evening, enjoy life and come to this board with positive words and thoughts or do us all a favor and lurk instead of participating.

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[happybrew]

RT- you perform a valuable service. You help people fish better! You do it because you are a giving person. Nobody should be criticizing you for posting on other boards. Do you get mad at any of us for visiting other boards? NOOOOOO. So nobody should do that to you.

By the way, I saw a posting by someone named RT on a UBB brewing board. This was a while back. Was that you? There was no profile listed.

happybrew

[Deleted User]

Hey thanks Giz. Kind comments, and I like your 'tude! Now about that last sentence, was that to mean only open my mouth if I have nice things to say or what? (just kidding, I know what you mean http://www.ifish.net/forum/images/graemlins/smile.gif ). And HB, that wasn't me on the brew board. I don't brew, but I do remember us coaxing out one of your secret brews that was so complicated I doubt anyone tried that big task! Sounded great though.

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[Wet_Willy]

Steve,
Although it is redundant it bears repeating. You do a fantastic job responding to inquiries and keeping the topics in line on this board. The value of information would suffer drastically without you being involved. Like a lot of guys out there I had to earn my knowledge of fishing and never really cared to share it with others, definitely not strangers. You are an extremely gracious and giving sportsman. I can tell you that I have benefited from your willingness to do so as have countless others who haven't chimed in. I sometimes struggle with so much information being available and the fact that others don't have to "earn" it but can just show up to the hot spot and start catching but that's the nature of the information age we are in, and we each deal with that in our own way.

You do a fantastic job here and although I have never met you, you could share a spot on my boat anytime.

WW

[smilesforu]

RT you are a great guy and do a wonderful job on the site. I have noticed you seem overly sensitive lately, so I think you need another fishing vacation http://www.ifish.net/forum/images/graemlins/smile.gif Maybe we can set up a spreader bar across the river with as many different scented baits we can think of and drop it in the river on high tide and count which ones get bit first http://www.ifish.net/forum/images/graemlins/smile.gif Wouldn't that be just a kick in the arse. Sharpen your hooks I am starting a rain dance for you.
Oh ya what would crusty the alter rt ego reply to this...lol
Tight lines

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Steelheader.net (http://www.steelheader.net/)

[THE REEL HEY_YALL]

RT, I know if we met, then I could start making fun of you too. Osprey just makes it too easy ya see http://www.ifish.net/forum/images/graemlins/grin.gif I know I have learned alot from you, as well as a bunch of others that post on this board. I am glad to be a regular now, plus give some humor to the board. But Osprey just makes it too easy http://www.ifish.net/forum/images/graemlins/grin.gif I just wanted to say thanks to all for the insight and listening to my antics, though sometimes tasteless, but yet at others...tastefully refined. Heck if the advice someone gives you on this board doesn't really work for you, add your own variation to it until it works for you. Then you can tell Steve that he doesn't know jack...lol j/k http://www.ifish.net/forum/images/graemlins/wink.gif Give the man some credit. He may not do his best, but at least he's doing it http://www.ifish.net/forum/images/graemlins/grin.gif oooh I could say something here, but I won't..lol just because he is the almighty moderator..lol lol

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[Sand Shrimp]

RT, I don't blame you for your response. You have shared so much information on here that you couldn't find elsewere.If you don't want to disclose were you were fishing on this board then that's your business.The how to information is much more important than listing certain holes or rivers.I have read this board for quite a while when I was on break at work but haven't posted because I just recently bought a computer for home use.I thank you for all the information you have given to everyone.And if I quit my job and leave my wife I might have time to try 1/4 of the ideas you have given me.Thanks RT.

[Dances]

Hey you guys all have to remember that if it not for RT then we would not have this great bb to chat on and share great lies oops I mean stories http://www.ifish.net/forum/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[Deleted User]

Hi Marty,
Hmmm .... Crusty might say 'RT, you oversensative liberal patsy'; or 'RT, you're a cool dude'? Geez, I don't know. After hearing a few opinions that I've been a little over-reactive sensative, I have gone back and re-read posts. And I now agree with that; even though I had a good basis to clarify what I said or why I did or didn't do something that drew criticism. So time for a little thicker skin, and just have more fun on here. http://www.ifish.net/forum/images/graemlins/smile.gif

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Know fish or no fish. - RT