WOW killin on the willi (one pic)

[joshjames]

i had a great night tonight... went down to my local and caught about 7 smallies and disposed of a couple squaw. (guess they were moving through) hope thats still what i should do with them. ooops if not. anyhow i only have a pic of one :depressed:
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c289/foxyroxy3x/megabass.jpg

[Sandz]

Fun stuff, I hit the willy yesterday and as soon as the sun started setting the water boiled with bass chaising smolt around.

[Sublime]

Nice job. this is the time they can start goin wild!

[Dave Smith]

Nice job! Yes, it's fine to kill the "northern Pikeminnows". In fact, ever since the BPA has had the bounty program, the smallmouth fishing has improved like crazy! Nice fish- keep up the good work. Dave

[Knot in leader]

Nice fish :dance:

[blacktail519]

Nicely done :applause:

[rob allen]

leave them sqawfish in the river in my opinion they eat the hatchery salmon and steelhead smolts and thats a good thing ,, though many would disagree

[ScottD]

Rob, the ********* also eat the native steelhead and salmon. So I think you should get rid of the ********* when you get a chance. Also, getting rid of ********* will leave more food for the smallmouth.

[blacktail519]

leave them sqawfish in the river in my opinion they eat the hatchery salmon and steelhead smolts and thats a good thing ,, though many would disagree




Your right, Many would dissagree. Do you mind Explaining to us just why the sqawfish eating the Salmon and Steelhead smolt is a good thing?? :eek:

[rob allen]

this isn't the appropriate place to discuss this...

Nice smallies Josh!!

[Sublime]

Good thinkin, Rob. :eek:

:hoboy:I'm not sure the Pikeminnow are smart enough to tell which smolts have fins and which don't. :laugh:

Although, I'd be curious, also, to know why this is a good thing,(in your opinion), that they eat the smolts... :yeahthat: :lurk:

[joshjames]

i wouldnt mind knowing myself.... i think it could be very informative... i also kinda inquired into it anyhow. i can see how no pikes would create better fishing for both bass and salmon and of course the steelies.

[Striper Club]

I believe that was a parody.

[joshjames]

haha...what? i actually am interested

[joshjames]

no parody... not on my behalf that is..... i have gathered reasoning for the squaw being eliminated... i mean obviously this would mean no more competition for a much more valued fish (BASS) I dont think that anyone enjoys a northern fight.... even the big big ones are a very weak player. and im playing the game of sport fishing.

[ScottD]

I dont think that anyone enjoys a northern fight.... even the big big ones are a very weak player. and im playing the game of sport fishing.



What do you mean by "a northern fight"? Are you confusing a ********* (pikeminnow) with the northern pike? A northern fights extremely well and will get very large........over 20 pounds. A large pikeminnow (politically correct name for a *********) is usually around 3 pounds.

I think a pikeminnow is kind of fun to catch......they don't fight too bad; but nothing compared to a smallmouth.

The closest place to catch northerns (that I know of) is at Lake Cor de Lane in Idaho.

(I do wish Rob would explain his thinking behind his statement regarding the pikeminnow. I guess he thought he shouldn't sidetrack your thread?)

[Sandz]

The 'TECHNICAL' name is Northern Pikeminnow. Hes just referring to the fish... anyway, can we take all this stuff private? If you want to know that bad please PM him. He has already said
this isn't the appropriate place to discuss this...

That is his choice, now please stop the pressure on him.

[ScottD]

Thanks for the clarification. I'd forgotten the full name. I guess I'd never heard anyone call them northerns before. I'm sorry, JoshJames, that I thought you had confused a pikeminnow w/ a northern pike......my bad.

[joshjames]

yeah i thought they were refered to as a nothern pikeminnow.... oh and i do not mind an open conversation... i wrote that above^ i do believe. but anyhow, it seems to have strayed from my first question of "should i dispose of squaw (northern pikeminnow)" and then my second question was regarding rob allens statement of leaving them in the river. and also he stated that this wasnt the place to discuss it... however I think its just fine :smirk: im going to go catch myself a few smallies.... you guys have a good one :wave:

[ScottD]

Good luck on the smallies........and remember to kill all the pikeminnows you can. :smash:

[joshjames]

haha thanks.... i dont catch the dam* things till dusk. i dont know if ill be out there that late today... hopefully though right?!?!?!

[joshjames]

so i never made it out tonight... i think it was too much :cheers:..... i do enjoy my beverages... however if anyones in the mood thursday to bank fish pm me... :smile:

[Snakebite]

Smallies are introduced and eat native fish. Pike minnow are native and should be there. The only reason ther is a bounty program on the CR is because the dams created habitat that is more conducive to pike minnow being able to prey on salmonids. It's a stupid and costly "solution" to the problem.

[joshjames]

yeah i hear that..... thats why i dont really care about the whole bounty. I personally believe ultimately the bass will be the more prominent species in our river system... its very true i do suppose... bass have been a very fun catch that keeps me coming back.... bass are very elusive and keen. the bite for a bass changes every day. I like a fish that makes me think, its sorta like a well played chess match. I trully hope the bass can feed off the squaw until our SEA LION issue goes away and then we have nothing further to blame. there are one too many factors right now.... and truthfully, the only thing that has chased a smolt shaped plug or vibra bait has been these squaw..... I normally get a bass with a senko or even a live bait now. just pulling a crawdaddy tail with a great hook can be effective... anyways.... you guys are great and we are fortunate to have the fisheries we have... love and respect for the NW :dance: i am off to bed to dream about a large :wink: hope a lil bank will work out for me. goodnight :sleep:

[ScottD]

Smallies are introduced and eat native fish. Pike minnow are native and should be there. The only reason ther is a bounty program on the CR is because the dams created habitat that is more conducive to pike minnow being able to prey on salmonids. It's a stupid and costly "solution" to the problem.



Thanks, Snakebite, for discussing the issue......afterall, what better place to discuss the pikeminnow than on a thread where someone (Josh) asked a question about them?

I get your arguement about the pikeminnow being native and the smallmouth being non-native. But most of us would rather see the smallmouth exist in the river and the ********* numbers reduced. The smallmouth is a great sportfish and is a world-class fishery in the Columbia and many of its tributaries.

As far as the bounty being stupid and costly.....well, I don't think it's stupid as it seems to have been working really well based on the statistics. As far as being costly: well, Bonneville power is paying for it and they must feel it is a more cost effective alternative than other ideas they have come up with.

Some would argue that it is stupid because they would rather the dams be breached to help the salmon instead of using the "bandaid" approach of eliminating some pikeminnows. Others would argue that the smallmouth should be on the bounty program also.

But I believe the ********* bounty along with increased river flows over the dams, at the time that the smolts need flushed downstream, is the best compromise to the dam problem.

[rob allen]

1. my comments are very reactionary because I believe in spite of the millions of dollars we are spending to restore native salmon and steelhead we aren't really willing to do what is necessary to restore them so i hate seeing sqaw fish ( northern pike minnow) being the scapegoat for the lack of human forethought concering out native species.. Killing off sqawfish is not a good answer for the problems humans have created..

2, hatchery salmon and steelhead juveniles travel down the river system is very large schools making them very attractive to all predators, wild salmon and steelhead juveniles migrate individually, are in better health and more aware of predators than are their hatchery counterparts and thus are much less attractive and vulnerable to predators...

3 I believe that hatchery salmon and steelhead are a HUGE impediment to the restoration of our native populations and thus the fewer of them that make it to the ocean the better.. therefore i like sqawfish in the river chowing on them...

[hawg boss]

Fun stuff, I hit the willy yesterday and as soon as the sun started setting the water boiled with bass chaising smolt around.



That's nice.....

Josh james, Nice job. You should have killed 5 of the bass and did what ever you chose to do with the npm. :twocents:

Rob Allen, I hope you don't fish in NW Oregon for Salmon/Steelhead.... Without hatchery fish there would only be Fall Chinook fishing in this part of the state.PERIOD

I want all of you Bass fishermen to know that it is not bass that I am against it is Bass in our rivers. They belong in ponds (preferably in Texas or somewhere nearby so they cant get into our rivers). Like sealions belong in the sea, and pirahna belong in South America. :twocents:

This is the first time that I have visited the bass section and I am sory that I did. I will try to refrain from doing so again.

[rob allen]

"Rob Allen, I hope you don't fish in NW Oregon for Salmon/Steelhead.... Without hatchery fish there would only be Fall Chinook fishing in this part of the state.PERIOD"


I am sorry but that is factually incorrect.. almost every rivers in Northwest Oregon provides substantial fishing for wild steelhead particularly in the winter...

[hawg boss]

"Rob Allen, I hope you don't fish in NW Oregon for Salmon/Steelhead.... Without hatchery fish there would only be Fall Chinook fishing in this part of the state.PERIOD"


I am sorry but that is factually incorrect.. almost every rivers in Northwest Oregon provides substantial fishing for wild steelhead particularly in the winter...



Catch and release fishing is allowed for wild Steelhead where hatchery fish are or may be present. Show me one river in NW Oregon that says it is open to catch and release wild salmon or Steelhead. The only exception is a very short 2 week catch and release for Chum on the Kilchis and Miami rivers.

[fishlipper]

I believe you can keep 5 wild steelhead a year on the Umpqua. Thats sounds like one to me.

[hawg boss]

I understand that, that is why I said NW Oregon.

[nitrobass]

Elk and Sixes river..

[hawg boss]

Maby some of you don't understand my abriviations. NW Oregon= North West Oregon. Not South Western Oregon or Malibu cr in Los Angeles. :jester:

[fishlipper]

I guess you will have to draw me an exact line on a map and show us bass guys were the boundary is for NW Oregon? I agree it is south of Portland, but ease up a little.

[ScottD]

Rob, thanks for posting. Very good points. :applause:

I don't believe that the ********* is a scapegoat for the low numbers of returning salmon, so I will continue to kill ********* and release almost all smallmouth......but I hear you and understand what you're saying.

[hawg boss]

I guess you will have to draw me an exact line on a map and show us bass guys were the boundary is for NW Oregon? I agree it is south of Portland, but ease up a little.



Ease up, To me the :jester: :jester: :jester: means I am eased up.

To answer your question they have a map in the regs. This map is divided into 2 pages and the boundary is between Florence and Readsport.

I will corect myself as I have found that you can keep wild spring salmon in some rivers south of Lincoln City.

The intent of my first response was that without hatcheries we would have almost no Salmon/Steelhead fishing in this part of the state.

[joshjames]

so howd this post catch on fire..... well i dont know what it did but the avatar looks like a flame.... maybe you guys are getting too involved. im sure it will cool off when the weekend comes.... only two smallies today and one squaw.... they have changed there interest again. imagine that. I HATE THESE SQUAW... so anoying.. i dont get why they hit a senko. arent they slower??? i do a good flick with it then a quick real and they seem to get me. agghhh. what a worthless fish. Goodnight All...