virgin eggs

[The Bad Fish]

anyone know where i can get some salmon eggs that have not been cured yet??

[Deleted User]

Try Tillamook Bait Co. (503)842-5031, The Guide Shop (503) 842-3474, Scott Amerman (503)392-9468 or 392-9450, D&G Bait (503)557-2248, Old Mill Marina (503)322-3243, Portland Fish Co. (tell them you are a guide)224-1611, and find out where commercial troll caught salmon are coming in (Newport, Garibaldi, Astoria, etc.). And of course the fun way, catch a few hens! - RT

[dawhunt]

Bug-flicker,the indians are selling eggs right out of the fish at Bonniville dam for
$4-$5 dollars a pound.(depends on which indian you go too ??)

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Bob Dawson

[Deleted User]

Hi Bob. Most of the eggs for sale being talked about come from troll caught fish or excess hatchery fish. If you read a recent opinion post, many of us now feel in light of the ESA and the affects on native fish by gillnets, that we think it may help the nate's cause to avoid buying comm. gillnetter or Indian gillnetter caught fish eggs. My 2 cents. - RT

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[dawhunt]

HEY,I was just trying to help a guy out.I don't care any for the indians myself.I just thought he would rather make a 1 1/2 hr round trip and pay $4.00 a lb then a 4 hr round trip amd pay $8.oo a lb.I don't think I need to take any heat for this,I didn't care for the crack made last night about spitting on indian eggs there was no call for that.Believe me I have no love for the indians I've seen want they do and I've got pictures of what they do.I've sent copys of those pictures to everyone and anyone I thought could do something about it. Why do you think I stayed up off a 12 hr graveyard shift to attend your rally, belive me, I have no kind thoughts about the indians at all...I was just trying to help a guy out.If I offended anyone one I'm sorry,But I'm telling you now I won't take a bunch of c-- from people for trying to save a guy some bucks esp. with the price of gas right now.
Bob Dawson

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Bob Dawson

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[THE REEL HEY_YALL]

Saving a buck or two for the extinction of a species...hmmmm Yeah especially with the price of gas these days...well you could buy from the gillnetters (especially the Indians) and drive 1 1/2 hours, but those fish you catch on those eggs would be for you. Wouldn't you rather spend a lil more money and time to support something that maybe could provide future generations with fish? That's my 2 cents worth, and I was pitching crap with that too. I won't lie.

[dawhunt]

Whatever !!!

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Bob Dawson

[Osprey]

Bob ,In my humble opion you can spend you're money anyway you like,I have in the past purchased eggs from Natives and if I ever get in a jamb...would do it again http://www.ifish.net/forum/images/graemlins/grin.gif
Hang in there.....Mike http://www.ifish.net/forum/images/graemlins/cool.gif

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[Net Boy]

Bob,

I have also purchased eggs from a fish market that I assume were indian eggs. As have a group of friends who are remaining silent on the issue. Get the eggs where you can for now. $8 per pound adds up quick at the Bait Co.

[V. Green]

As far as buying eggs or fish for that matter from the Indians in the Gorge, I really don't care. As far as I am concerned all Gill Netters and Seine Netters for that matter take poor care of there product.. FISH!

I spent nearly 10+ years working out of Garibaldi on a commercial slamon troller. My family no longer does this and I am glad! Trollers mainly catch "wild" fish. At the dock the ODF&W would cut the noses off any fish that was tagged with a metal strip in the nose. This amounted to about 1/5 at most of the catch. Plus the best Chinook fishing was in October and November when most hatcheries had allready received there fish back.

So in my opinion buying eggs from a commercial guy does not save any wild fish, it just changes who took it from the water. However, buying from a hatchery does save wild fish (but not if you ask TU).

I personally would like to see an end to commercial fishing for Salmon in Oregon because it makes no sense economically. I heard once that a sport caught fish is worth $25/lbs or more (???) to the economy, but the commercial fish gets $3.25/lbs at the market.

As for Indians, as I said earlier i don't like how they handle there fish but they have the right to be there. Don't forget that they have treaty rights and that they are soveriegn nations within the US Borders. If they choose to sell there share of the fishery then that is there right. I would suspect that the NW Tribes do more for Salmon recovery efforts than the commercial fisherman who either gillnet or troll for salmon.

So that you know, I am not an Indian (or Native American) and I have purchased eggs from them in the past and probably will again.

One more thing, the worst treatment I have ever seen of a native fish was by a sportsfisherman fishing at the green bridge hole on the Kilches River last year. This idiot drug a chum up onto the bank and then proceded to kick/release the fish back into the river. When my brother, some friends and I pointed out his poor handling of the fish the entire group fishing in this hole gave us cold stares and basically told us to mind our own business.

My Opinion,

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V. Green
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[garyk]

Ok. It's late. It's been a rough day. I'm cranky - I admit it. Still I'm amazed at the hostility shown by this board toward Indians and their _legal_ activities.

You sit on T-Bay looking at the hills stripped by rich white folks like Hampton Lumber, hillsides that'll slide into the rivers come winter's rains; my county's forests absolutely denuded by the succession of companies like Willamette Industry, Crown Zellerbach and Rayonier Fiber - and where's the outcry? Where's the outrage?

Considering the above, I have real trouble getting down on guy whose using his treaty rights and selling fish and eggs out of a 20 year old vehicle at Cascade Locks. Have you noticed the tribal members there aren't driving SUV's?

IF you really want to get down on someone, I suggest the powerful corporate interests, who are taking all they can at our expense, rather then humble folks living at the margin.

(....that's my 4-cents worth)

[Scarecrow]

Dawhunt, Thanks from us all for the info about the eggs, I know I for one need to spread a buck as far as it will go, and your info provides an option to do just that. I really don't think that RT was giving you any cr** about your post, I took it that he was just providing a point of view that was, as he stated "his .02". It would be up to the individual to decide where to get the eggs, but as he said it is the opinion of several guys that not buying them from the netters might hinder their operations a little. As you know opinions are a lot like a specific part of the human anatomy, we all have one! Anyway, I didn't get the feeling that RT was putting you down, so hang in there and keep postin!


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Bob G.

[dawhunt]

In no way did,I take RT's post as pitching me c---,I thought he was being very diplomatic in telling me,I screwed up and might not be a bad idea if I don't do it again.I WON"T,I PROMISE !!!!!.I was just p--- off by the comments made in the chat room last night by someone who doesn't even know me or know how, I feel about the indians.If RT thinks that I did take offense to his posting I'm sorry I took no offense to it at all.By the way ,I caught a 25 lb chinook this MORNING on a Clancy with a little bit of red tape on it in 35' of water.I think maybe this whole thing should just be dropped and get back to fishing.I've never fished the green river don't even know where its at,but a friend of mine and his dad were up there and limited out on silvers,said the river is full of them.
Bob

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Bob Dawson

[Deleted User]

It's really disappointing to me that some people will read into another person's post things that are NOT there and then be indictive about it. Garyk and Bob, if you go back and re-read my post, see that it was 2 cent suggestive. And it was not anti-Indian. It was ANTI-GILLNET! Now I will give you more than 2 cents worth. I stand by my suggestion that we don't subsidize gillnetting by buying fish or their parts from gillnetters. I mentioned the 2 groups who do that, in this order, "commercial gillnetters (non-Indian) and Indian gillnetters". I don't have a problem with Indian take of fish by dipnet as they did when the Treaies were signed, particularly if they release the rarer nates and don't take more than their share of Treaty provisions, which in today's climate is unfairly cutting down on sportfishing quotas of hatchery fish that we pay for. With obviously valid documentation of declining native fish runs in the Columbia, and elsewhere, to the point that they have been put on the Federal Endangered Species List, we need to do what we reasonably can to save these irreplacable fish! I don't support nate killing gillnets, and I feel just fine about speaking up on that. If their market is reduced the nate killing will be reduced. Let your conscience be your guide. 'Nuff said on that. - Garyk, as for the people selling fish out of the back of older pickup trucks instead of expensive SUV's; what in the heck does that have to do with the native ESA fish issues? That's a whole other story. The Gov. has tried to replace lost fishing income for those people with things such as welfare and licenses for hugely profitable gambling casinos (among other things). Do you find mentioning that as being "hostile"? Also, this country has the healthiest economy and lowest unemployment rate in decades, and gillnetters (both non-Indian and Indian) aren't forced to make a living indescriminately killing fish. They have every right to work in this society as the rest of us do. The Gov. has offers on the table to buy up commercial netting licenses and I even think their boats. I wonder why they don't take it and do less hard work for a living? - As for the myriad of other ills hurting fish runs Garyk, you are correct; and they have been addressed many times in many post threads. The subject of this thread was about eggs, and that gillnetting is a source for them. -- I'm not angry at you likable guys. I just would like to have posts seen as they are! - RT

[dawhunt]

OK, OK, OK,This has gone far enough,can this subject please be dropped,its gone entirely too far,The intent was to help a guy out THATS ALL,Lets get over it and get on with what we do best FISH!!!!!(sometimes)(sometimes not so good).Thank You !!! I was going to stay away from this board for a few days and let this die out but I can't it like an addiction.Can't we just move on to another subject.PLEASE !!!
BOB DAWSON

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Bob Dawson

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[fishbait]

Saw some good looking fresh eggs last night at the Tualatin Valley Chapter of Steelheaders meeting. The guy selling them works at Hanks in Hillsboro in the meat/fish market, is partners with Scott A (mentioned above). Was told the eggs were from Bonneville hatchery. Did not need any, but if I was looking to buy fresh eggs, I would buy some of these as they were large mature chinook eggs in good condition that appear to have been well taken care of. Asking price was $6.00 a pound in 5 pound bags.

Steve

[Steve]

How in the heck many Steve's are on this BB I believe I seen at least 5 or more...It isn't that common a name...Steve

[the reel mccoy]

The person selling the eggs at the Steelheaders meeting is Ed Rice. Please do not call Ed at Hanks in Hillsboro. He can be reached at his home phone. You can e-mail me for his home phone #. We both work for Hanks and cannot receive phone calls not work related. The eggs he is selling are from the Bonneville Hatchery.

[Timber Man]

Garyk-and I bet your house isnt made from wood either!!!!Timber is replanted at the same rate it is harvested are fish??????you could cut all the timber in this country and it would grow back.If you harvest all the fish will they come back????Not saying that the logging practices have been the best but I highly doubt that it has depleated the fish runs as much as nets.Besides I'm just a man tryin to earn a living falling timber just like the indians netting according to you.If you believe its ok for indians to take more then there share then just stand back and let it happen as for me I will fight it.More folks like you and the fish would have been gone years ago.TM

[Hammer Bob]

Timber Man, You have broached a topic which in my opinion you have no hope of defending. Good Luck...you'll need it!

[Salmonator]

Guys, this is starting to look like one of those threads that could go on for days and wind up with everbody offending each other. How about those Ducks and Beaves????

[Timber Man]

Hammer bob--in whose eyes,can I not defend?I fish right along with the rest of you if you dont like me because I,m in the timber industry ***k ya I dont care.IF people on here dont like me because I cut timber I wont log onto this sight again!!!!TM

[Jennie@ifish]

I like absolutely everyone here, regardless of there likes and dislikes.
Therefore, I am now closing this debate.
Everyone take a deep breath, and lets let this one die for a bit.