Re: What is The Anglers Chapel About????

[WildHawg]

If I can't reply above, I'll reply here Jenny.
The Anglers Chapel has always been a refuge for me when in need. I don't care about denomination--if you love God--whoever that is to you, that's fine. Jesus is my salvation,
and that's enough for me. Not sure where this all came from, as I have been away for awhile. As far as I'm concerned--if a human being needs prayer, they are welcome here, and in my heart. I pray for the innocent victims of Iraqi attacks/suicide attacks despite fact that they are Sunni or Shiite Muslims. I pray for them because they are human beings suffering.
As far as this board goes--shame on those that would criticize, rather than pray for those whose religious opinions they disagree with.
This board is called the anglers chapel--and a chapel is for prayer--not dissent.
Nuff said as my patience is very limited these days.
Pray for those you disagree with--you might be surprised with the outcome.

[newfly]

well..........i like your message. and your obvious passion for people. that is very cool. however.......you might want to read some of the posts more closely before you go off on folks about dissenting. i don't see that that is what has taken place. we have had a bunch of discussions here lately about various aspects of religious belief. for me at least, they have been appreciated. not everyone has shared my beliefs, but the discussions have been great. a real "chapel" sort of discussion. i have really appreciated what everyone has had to say and i have learned a lot and have been challenged a lot. after all, as personal as religious beliefs are..........and your post is prrof of that............everyone has something of value for the rest of us to consider. i think that it has been a very good thing. the discussions have never been unpleasant or uncaring.

[FireCat]

I totally agree with you NEWFLY...600+ have tuned in to the post on Organized Religion...many discussed, many just took it all in, many are searching and many are just passin buy. There is dissagreements , and agreements all done in a very, mature way...When I was first saved, I believed that I could loose my salvation, If i didnt tithe God would curse me, If I didnt wear a suit to church I was showing disrespect for God, and to abstain from all wordly events, fairs, carnivals, Movies, Dancing, "VEGAS"..Then over my christian life time I have decussions with many brothers and sisters that enjoyed "freedom" in Christ and it was decussions like these, that showed me through the word, that I was bound up in ridged legalizum. So over the years I was beginning to enjoy breathing Christian freedom.
I begun to understand what "Grace" really ment.
And FAITH AND WORKS begin to show how easy they were to understand.
Faith believing in someting that is not seen , but yet given to each Christian by the Lord.
Works are not works of the flesh, that so many get tripped up on, but works of love, doing and helping out your neighbor, reguardless of what he thinks or believes, and expecting nothing in return. The only law the governs the Christian today is the LAW of "Love". for when we do the works of love to thoes around us, it shows how much faith we really have. Believe it or not this chapel that jennie has set forth is the only Church some people even have.
They have been shut down in Church or they feel, like they just cant measure up. Maby they are shutins, or maby just looking for answers and much of the church life troubles them .
And believe me If anyone starts to get to meanspirited
I am sure all that partake of this Chaple would very quickly take action!.
This would be a very boring world if everybody would agree with each other. I know how odd this seems but my wife dont agree with me on some things! strange I know, But to have a good decussion on certian topics could change a soul to the better, forever.
One does not need any form of theoligy to get a point across. Hopefully the correct useage of contex of scripture can do that....THANK YOU newfly for your post, and thank you Wildhawg....because you have every right to voice your opinion also and it is well taken ...Lord Bless

[Bartman]

I too really enjoy the discusions and do honestly believe that they can play an important role in our spiritual walks, not that we're going to totally change someones faith,in fact the vast majority of the time I feel that the discusions strengthens ones own faith.I also feel that at the very least the discusions keeps us all thinking. for me,it also means being able to explore topics with folks who look at life from different angle,which has been a great thing.
there are several people that have been involved in several of the discusions, whose opinions and beliefs I totally respect and admire.rimrock :bowdown:,wyldhen :flowered:,firecat :angel:,newfly :angel1: and several more :cheers:,are people who have helped to remind me that you have to be willing and able to seperate people from an "institution",and that for the most part,we all want the same things in this life and the next. are there some things that I disagree with about some faiths,sure.are there things that people disagree with about my faith,I'm gonna go out on a limb and say yes :grin:.one very important thing,and maybe the most important thing, is that there have been people with questions and maybe doing a little "searching",and at the very least they've been given things to ponder :dance:.
Bart

[Dullhook]

I totally agree with you NEWFLY...600+ have tuned in to the post on Organized Religion...



This is true FireCAT, but then thousands tune in to "Desperate Housewives" and "The Sopranos" every week. Does that make them suitable viewing for everyone? :wink:

Many people hold the same opinion as WildHawg on this issue. By definition (Webster's); Chapel: a private place of prayer or worship; oratory. By Jennie's intention (if I may, Jennie!) a place to come for prayer and encouragement. If you research some of the older posts you'll see many people are turned off by theological debates. Many feel that God doesn't need any defense from the mortal men whom He created, but rather our worship.

The biggest problem in my humble opinion is that many people are personally offended and tend not to post because they fear their different beliefs will be challenged.

While I respectively agree with you and NEWFLY that healthy discussion and questions from the curious are good and should be answered, it seems like many of these threads go on and on with nothing really accomplished. Well intentioned answers turn into personal discussions or debates that never wind up being resolved. Maybe continuing them by telephone or PM would be a better solution? This is just my own opinion. There's nothing better than two people talking about God in person.

While some may say if it offends you don't read it, I would respectively answer that this is The Anglers Chapel, opened to all faiths, and it shouldn't have to be screened for content. I'd also like to add that in the past I've been as guilty as anyone for trying to sway people towards personal beliefs over the internet. I would like to apologize to anyone whose been offended. :flowered:

While as a practicing Christian I believe that it's our calling to spread the good word as willed by Jesus, however it may be something better done on a person to person basis in a loving and respectful manner. When someone is ready accept Christ into their hearts they will likely open the door to Him on their own. No pry bar will be required, only a little encouragement and prayer together.

I hope that I haven't offended anyone with this reply as that was not the intention.

Blessings to all... Dennis :wave:

[FireCat]

I am sorry DULLHOOK...forgive me I was trying to place this place on a good christian subject manner, and that many would like to see different faiths discussed. I have never watched "desperate housewives" or the "Sopranos".
nor would I even put it in the same sentence as the "Anglers Chapel"...

[newfly]

dullhook, i understand what you said and i understand that some people are indeed uncomfortable with the discussions. we had this very subject raised a bit ago and there was much angst and concern about it.

it is a problem.

some people enjoy the discussion and find that it helps them greatly in their religious journey. many of us use the discussions to help us work through our religious confusion (if you will allow). there really is no argument, at least not that i see, because everyone that has been participating shares the common bond of truly wanting to hear what the others have to say.

on the other hand, it seems to bother some people to see discussions where people express their difficulties with their perceptions of traditional thought.

no one wants to bother the others. no one is trying to upset the others. we had this discussion and that was pretty clear. in the end however, i don't understand how or why these discussions cause you or anyone else so much concern. i have gone back and read them again. no one is mad or angry. even though there are people with very opposing philosophies, the discussions have been very friendly and very imformative.

i don't know what the answer is, but you may have a point in using desperate housewives as an example. i don't watch that show. i have no interest in it. i am not angry, upset or concerned that it airs though. i have no problem with anyone that wants to watch it. i just don't chose to myself. i use the channel button.........or the off button. maybe there is an analogy there that can be applied here.

[BJS]

I would second all that.

The person to person gig and not the internet thing IMO is a little short sighted. If it was not for some discussion thread I would not have never met rimrock. It came about from one of these we hooked up for a hunting trip. It was no spiritual conversion mission type trip either ya know rim ain’t about gettin to know ya just to convert ya kind of thing. I do not know what this may mean but I have never gotten any invite from any of the “spiritual” acting prayer crowd and IMHO I totally doubt any have ever prayed for me. But others who aint in the pray only crowd have taken the time to talk to me in threads and that has meant something to me. Whats the word for that hummm........encouragement. :shrug:

:cheers:

[Dullhook]

NEWFLY and FireCat:

Please accept my apologies for using Desperate Housewives as an analogy. I didn't mean to infer that either of you watched this program but only that just because a program or thread is viewed by a lot of people doesn't mean that it may not offend some of them. In retrospect a better example could have been used.

Anyway, that aside, I prayed last night over the issue of Theology debates on Anglers Chapel and received an answer. Although some of us may not be in agreement with them, it will be better at least in my case to use more tolerance. I remember the saying " A diamond looks different from different angles." God expects unity not uniformity, and we can still get along in harmony without seeing eye to eye on everything. I'll leave the content of the chapel up to the mods who are far more qualified than myself to make decisions regarding what's allowed on it. Much better to concentrate on the parts of the chapel that drew me here to begin with. :smile:

In closing this is a very special and sacred time of year for Christians. With Lent and fasting going on it's a time to look into our lives and ask the Lord to show us our weaknesses and strengths. Very important are areas where we need to repent. To cause problems amongst us is the last thing that I wanted to do and God was quick to point that out.

Have a wonderful Easter season and may God bless everyone!

.........Dennis.

[FireCat]

What I would like to make known is I am just a guest here, Ths is Jennies web sight and she graciously has set this Chapel up out of the goodness of her heart.
I would have to agree that prayer for thoes that are hurting wether it be physicaly or spiritualy is the first and formost thing in any christian web sight. I am sure it was in her heart to have it that way being she struggles eveyday with health issues, she In my opinion, wanted a place to come and pray and share her and others health struggles and life problems in prayer with one another.
And in my opinion that out trumphs any other issues that I or anyone should have.
Jesus main point to all christians was prayer and the Lord knows we all need to do more of it, I have noticed that God answers more directly towards us personaly when we pray for ourselves least, and others more. And as for subject maters, Many I am sure speak better behind the curtain so to speek maby some thing is troubleing them and maby dont need a answer, but would like to see different points of view to see where he or she stands. It is one thing to disagree; it is quite another to disagree disagreeably.

And we must disagree sometimes; it’s part of the process of discernment. Christ is Lord, and that means the truth matters. It also means that Christ is Lord over how we go about disagreeing with those who proclaim a different idea and promote a different set of values. Be wise in the way you act toward outsiders, Paul writes to the Colossians, make the most of every opportunity. Let your conversation be always full of grace, seasoned with salt, so that you may know how to answer everyone (4:5-6). A gracious, tasteful, thoughtful answer, even when expressing profound disagreement, is far more compelling than the unkind response which reeks of defensiveness or arrogance.
And DULLHOOK No problem dude!...Lord Bless

[rimrock]

Nice words Firecat...I can tell you're done this for awhile. :angel: