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Deleted User
08-23-2000, 01:28 AM
Here is an excerpt from a news release that Marty M. found:


Giant salmon a scary prospect
Genetic engineering prompts worries about 'Frankenfish'

Les Blumenthal; The News Tribune

WASHINGTON - In New Zealand, researchers using genetic engineering developed a strain of chinook salmon they believed could eventually weigh 550 pounds.

On Canada's Prince Edward Island, "transgenic" Atlantic salmon injected with a protein grow four times faster than ordinary fish.

The "blue revolution" - like the green revolution in biotech agriculture - is on the verge of exploding, and new breeds of salmon could be the first genetically altered animals sold in the local supermarket.

But from the shores of Puget Sound to the California statehouse and from the Alaska governor's office to two streams on Vancouver Island, fishermen, government officials and environmentalists are increasingly wary of what critics are calling "Frankenfish."

And in Washington, D.C., a White House panel is trying to sort out which agency has jurisdiction, with the Food and Drug Administration, the National Marine Fisheries Service and the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service all having a possible claim.

"We are very worried," said Glen Spain, Northwest regional director of the Pacific Coast Federation of Fishermen's Associations. "Once you let the genies out of the bottle, you are at the mercy of the genies."

No one is quite sure what the long-term biological or environmental consequences might be if genetically altered salmon escaped from the fish farms, where they would be raised, and cross-bred or competed with wild, native stocks for food and spawning sites.

Most of the attention has focused on fish farms in New England, where there are fears transgenic fish could mate with Atlantic salmon that might be listed as an endangered species. But there is equal concern on the Pacific Coast.

"It's a hot issue," said Kevin Amos of the Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife.

Scientists in the United States, Canada, Japan, China, New Zealand and other countries have been manipulating genes in fish for more than a decade, and some of the research is on the verge of commercial development.

A Massachusetts company, A/F Protein Inc., has said it has orders for 15 million eggs from genetically engineered, or transgenic, Atlantic salmon it has been raising on Prince Edward Island. The company has sought FDA approval to start marketing the eggs to fish farms.

The fish can reach market size in 18 months, rather than the 36 months it now takes a typical Atlantic salmon.

The breakthrough came when researchers at A/F Protein, an international biotech firm, discovered an antifreeze protein that allows flounder to survive in cold, arctic water where salmon can't. The protein acts as a switch that allows the Atlantic salmon to produce a growth hormone year-round. Normal salmon produce such a growth hormone only during warm months.

An A/F Protein spokesman was unavailable for comment, but the company's supporters say such transgenic salmon could dramatically expand fish farm operations around the world and relieve the pressure on wild stocks. Already, more than half the salmon sold in the United States are raised in farms.

Elsewhere, scientists in British Columbia and in the United States have been experimenting with such Pacific Coast stocks as the coho.

In New Zealand, a company using genetic engineering was developing what could have been a mammoth chinook, or King salmon, they believed could eventually grow to 550 pounds. Wild chinook have been caught weighing 100 pounds or so. .......

Thoughts anyone?

[This message has been edited by RT (edited 08-23-2000).]

Deleted User
08-23-2000, 01:39 AM
RT commentary: OK, so it's risky and we probably shouldn't and won't play around with such genetic engineering. But think about landing 'Nooks between 300 to 500 pounds!!! Wow! Yellowfin tuna that large are landed; but not in rivers. We'd have to buy $3,000 Loomis GL10's, line rated for 80 to 200 # test (line that cuts thru branches too). With marlin fishing reels. And lures? Got any ideas out there? A Spin N Glo the size of a softball. Bait? Plugcut shad on 12/0 hooks. For using eggs you'd better land a 350 pound hen for the 70 lbs. of eggs. Pro-Cure would like that scenario. K-95 Kwikfish the size of your boots, with whole sardines wrapped on. Barbless huge trebles so you can release the little 150 lb. jacks. And how about boats? Better have big ones with strong lights and flare guns, so when you hook one of these bright monsters with 5 lbs. of sealice on it and get towed from the Trask tidewater out to sea overnight, you might get found the next day. Hey, are we ready for that? Heck yes! - RT

smilesforu
08-23-2000, 02:33 AM
Glad you like the story. Nice take on the fish you had me laughing my ass off. I think we should just plant them above the dams because they should be able to just break through them one the way back to spawn. Could you imagine 3000 bright monsters slamming into the concrete.

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Bait O' Eggs
08-23-2000, 07:25 AM
With any luck they would feed on Jet Skis http://www.ifish.net/forum/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

PeterMac
08-23-2000, 07:32 AM
I'll bet they could condition them to feed on seal meat!!!!

Osprey
08-23-2000, 07:38 AM
BOE right on ,they would be like really loud top water baits,Oh Yeh and if I hooked one on my cataraft it would be like water sking....,O-0h what if he turned at the boat .... http://www.ifish.net/forum/images/graemlins/frown.gif http://www.ifish.net/forum/images/graemlins/frown.gif thats way too close to my shark story,I don't want to catch a fish that thinks I'm bait.

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Row quietly and fish a Cataraft !!-------<'))>><

Pilar
08-23-2000, 08:35 AM
What a concept! Lets apply some science to this thing. Animals can be conditioned to do most anything. Even something as dumb as a salmon can be trained......

What if the smolts could be trained to eat ********* and the money spent on ********* abatement was split up between licensed fishers? Kind of like the tax kicker. Hmmmm.....

What if the adults could be taught to school in the 40 mile long drift nets of the foreign offshore fishermen as the nets were hauled in. The weight would sink the boat!! Hmmmm........

Oh yeah lets not forget jetskis .. if the salmon could be conditioned to find them attractive in a special way. Hmmm...

The bend is your friend!

Fishbulb
08-23-2000, 08:54 AM
I am having a hard time believing the insanity I see in the replies to this topic. Here is the future headline: "Super Salmon out compete the last of our native and hatchery stocks". The tought that we are only interested in making these huge fish so we can simply catch a mutant giant with no regard to the potential threat to other stocks makes me sick to my stomach. If you want to catch a larger fish try a different fishery. We constantly complain of the natural imbalance that we have brought to our river systems with our past and present technologies here on this BB. Then we applaud this nonsense because of our selfish desires to catch a giant salmon. I can only hope and pray these points of view were in jest.

Gone Fishin
08-23-2000, 09:15 AM
DON'T SCREW WITH MOTHER NATURE !!!

PeterMac
08-23-2000, 09:25 AM
Fishbulb,

Yours hopes and prayers have been answered - http://www.ifish.net/forum/images/graemlins/smile.gif JUST KIDDING AROUND! http://www.ifish.net/forum/images/graemlins/smile.gif

PeterMac

Okiedrifter
08-23-2000, 11:58 AM
i once caught, a wild 452 lb nook, i loaned it to a friend and he never brought it back .. so no pics u just have to trust me..

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okiedrifter

Osprey
08-23-2000, 01:22 PM
Hey Bulb http://www.ifish.net/forum/images/graemlins/confused.gifYou don't really think any of our responses are serious...come on get a grip,try and have a little fun...lighten up Dude

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Row quietly and fish a Cataraft !!-------<'))>><

Pilar
08-23-2000, 01:25 PM
Hey fishbulb! The joke is on you buddy! The bend is your friend!

Evan0505
08-23-2000, 02:33 PM
THINK ABOUT THE SMOLTS!!!! They would be like, 10-20 pounds before they left for the ocean!!!!!!!! HAHAHAH

Deleted User
08-23-2000, 06:53 PM
More fun (only for fun 'Bulb, things will be OK). And because it's technically possible, the scenario thoughts are fun, if kept away from rivers with lots of nates present.- These giant salmon wouldn't get caught in the mesh size restricted gill nets. They would just tear them down and be on their way.- A single one inch thick steak feeds party of 30!- Cleaning a 550 lb. buck would almost be like dressing a bull elk. http://www.ifish.net/forum/images/graemlins/shocked.gif - If you set your drag hard enough you could water ski behind one.- How would you net one of these after playing it for several hours? Hey, "WhitewaterB", have any ideas on that?- If you had a real good day and all 5 people in a 22' jet sled caught their 1 fish limit, that would be over 2 tons of fish. Where would they put them?- In low clear water they be really easy to find! Would they get spooked out by fishermen? Or visa versa for waders? And ...........

Trick
08-23-2000, 07:39 PM
A new star for the Free Willy movie series!

Salmonator
08-23-2000, 10:05 PM
I suppose the redds these monsters might dig out would be some prime back-bounce holes for springers the following year??

Fishbulb
08-26-2000, 08:13 AM
You guys kill me! It is often hard to gleen the true intent of BB posts from written text only. I am not really that uptight. I can honestly say I believe the huge 'nook' lending story. HA.