Terrestrial swap *Full*

[Meskel]

All right there seams to be enough interest out there for a terrestrial swap and though this is not exactly the season for fishing them it is the season for tying.

It will be a run of the mill swap with twelve tiers, twelve flies (one set for Jenni), and the deadline for flies to be sent in will be February 13th. Make sure you send a self-addressed and stamp envelope with proper protection for your flies (and the mailman) and there are tags on each of your flies w/ your moniker and pattern name. If you can't follow the guidelines, please don't join.

Also as a side note let us try to diversify the selection and not have 12 variations of the black foam ant.

Thanks
Meskel


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1. Meskel - Alien - Received :applause:
2. Abalone - Ant - In the mail?
3. chrome mandinga - beetle - In the mail
4. Mark Vickers - house fly - In the mail
5. Steve L. - Grasshopper - Received :applause:
6. tyingfool - Cranefly - Received :applause:
7. EugeneFisher - San Juan Worm - Received :applause:
8. grsteelies - Madison river Salmonfly - Received :applause:
9. deefly - Grasshopper or Cricket - In the mail
10. Samonslayer2 - Ant - Received :applause:
11. Chrome Mandinga (2nd) - TBA - In the mail
12. Meskel (2nd) - Black beetle - Received :applause:
Meskel (3rd) - Surprise fly - Received :applause:
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[Abalone]

Abalone

Pattern, To be determined.

[mandinga]

I'm In with a beetle.

[Mark Vickers]

I'm in with a spider.

[Steve L.]

I'm in with a grasshopper. Well, not that I'm IN with a grasshopper, just that I'm going to tie one :grin:.

[Plem]

yup- I'm in too and will figure out what I'm doing this week end.

[Meskel]

Im thinking that I will leave the sign-up open until January 11, 2006. At that time those who are in can decided what to do if all spots are not filled.

Have a good weekend
Meskel

[EugeneFisher]

Count me in. I'm not sure what pattern yet though. Expect something crazy.

[Plem]

A-ight... I'm going with the highly underated Cranefly. This baby has saved many summer days and I have no idea why it isn't a bigger deal than people realize. How often do we see these in our own yards... when we were little kids, the Daddy Longlegs is one of the first bugs I remember and so far my little ones like them the best too.

When I say "saved many days"=

1/2 mile down stream of the cooler. In the hot sun with only two fish in the last three hours, one of those was on a dropper.

Many days= more than one year on more than one hand.

Everytime this comes up, I'm sitting or walking and notice that there are no rising fish- no bugs- don't like the little ones anyway... and then there's a spider web. 3-4 all wrapped up... they're obviously out. They're kinda big... nothin else is doin squat... I GOT ONE OF THOSE!

2-3 casts later... on any stream, west, east, central or coast = 14" fish and the cooler is a distant thought.

[grsteelies]

I'm in again. The winter fly swap was excellent. I'll kick in my madison river salmonfly just in time for you guys to hit the hatch on big D this spring. Really looking forward to this one. Big thanks out to Meskel.

[deefly]

grasshopper or cricket
Deefly

[Meskel]

As sick as it sounds I have already finished my flies for the swap. :dance: If we don’t fill up by the deadline I might be up for tying another pattern.

Meskel

[Plem]

well, I am also sick cause I'm done too.

[Meskel]

Only three spots left – and not one ant on the board – come on guys someone could knock twelve of them out in no time.

Meskel

[Abalone]

Ok I'll do an Ant !

[EugeneFisher]

Took a while to find something different than everyone else, but if no one complains, I'll do a San Juan Worm. I'm going to try and spoof it up a little more than just chenille tied to a hook though, promise!

[mandinga]

it might be cool to do a spider, or a bee.

[grsteelies]

Hey Chromer, if you want to do the Salmon fly, let me know. I can do something else. Just let me know.

[Salmonslayer2]

I'm in I'll do an ant
Thank's Larry

[mandinga]

2 salmonflies wont hurt...they will get plenty of use in june!

[Abalone]

Salmon Flies ?????

Are they really Terrestrials ? I thought a Terrestrial was something other then a winged insect. Ok ants and Grasshoppers have wings sometimes But Salmon flies ?/? :shrug:

The terrestrials may have aquatic relatives but none INTENTIALLY spent any of their life cycles in the water. Bees and wasps, houseflies, butterflies, caterpillars, spiders and so on are not important to the trout except for those that occasionally fall into the water. These 'land' bugs comprise less than 1% of the food consumed by the trout during a season. However, on occasion they are what the fish are after. The following is a quick look at the more common or important terrestrials you may encounter on our interior lakes.

But Heck ! If no one else has a problem I am cool with it.

Go ahead :shrug:

[mandinga]

I think you are right tony...I was thinking the foam nody would classify it as a terrestial, but it's def. not a terrestial insect.

I'll stick with a beetle, but at least one salmonfly would be cool.

[Abalone]

There's tons of stuff on the net. Do a search using


" Terrestrial patterns "

Etc. lots of cool stuff I never seen before.

Spiders, Beetles and Ants oh my.

[Meskel]

Ok sorry for the delay in this. I have been away.

This swap was loosely based on my definition of what a “terrestrial” fly was. Simply put a terrestrial would be something that is foreign to the water in witch it is consumed. I would even take it one step further as saying it is foreign to water in its natural life cycle, much like Abalone’s definition. For example the fly I chose is not an imitation of any real bug rather it resembles the extra terrestrial that it takes its name from. I have seen stimulators referred to as terrestrials because they have no specific fly they are impersonating, and since we(i) didn’t specify species of fish targeted I would even be game to such things as mice and the like.

Having said that I wouldn’t define a salmonfly as a terrestrial, and im not alone in that. I also don’t think that I would be alone in allowing grsteelies to tie that pattern for the swap since it could easily be used as a stimulator pattern in waters that don’t normally produce salmonflies. If anyone has a problem please let me know. As it stands we are still two spots short of a full swap and I would hate to exclude someone we have that is eager to tie.

Come tomorrow (enrolment closes tonight) we can decide what to do with the remaining two spots.

Thanks
Meskel

[mandinga]

Meskel....I'll tie two flies.


second fly TBD.

Maybe I'll do a water boatman....or a fire ant...lemme think. :whazzup:

[grsteelies]

My bad you guys. I guess I need a refresher entomology class. I can come up with something else.

[Meskel]

All right kids the swap is full thanks to Chrome Mandinga for filling and open spot with a second terrestrial pattern to be determined. So we are set, 12 flies a piece to be sent out in the mail no later then February 13th.

NOTE: Don’t procrastinate on this swap especially for those of you who have a significant other. February 14th is valentines day and I would hate for you to be in the dog house with the misses or even worse stoned by all the ifish members in this swap for not meeting the deadline.

I will send out PM with my address in the next few days for delivery. Please clean out your mailboxes. I already know of one that is full.

If you haven’t already started get tying
Meskel

[Meskel]

All right, mailing info sent to all but one….

Chrome Mandinga clean out your box already. :hoboy:

Meskel

[mandinga]

All right, mailing info sent to all but one….

Chrome Mandinga clean out your box already. :hoboy:

Meskel



try now....i had to clear out my fan mail...I did save the hate mail though! :blush:

[Plem]

Terrestrials are land living bugs. Salmon flies liver 2-3 years in the water, then crawl out and live a couple of weeks on land. Wings have nothing to do with it. Bees, house flies, craneflies, spiders, ants, beetles, etc are terrestrials. A stone fly is no more a terrestrial than a mayfly or caddisfly.

[Meskel]

Two sets in. :dance:


Nice flies tyingfool.

Meskel

[Chromaflage]

I sure hope someone posts pics - I'd like to see the crawlers.

:cheers:

CrF

[Mark Vickers]

Hmmm... Maybe I should go pick up some materials. River City, here I come.

[Meskel]

So how are we all doing?

Im thinking since im now finishing my second set of terrestrials that I way have made the end date a little far out. :shrug: It is my first time hosting a swap so sue me.

The weather has got to get better at some point so don’t procrastinate and get yourself in a pinch.

Lets hear how we are all coming along.

Meskel

[deefly]

Im thinking: What kind of head should I put on that cricket? And BTW, where are my dam hooks....? :hoboy:
Deefly

[Steve L.]

Actually, I appreciate the time you gave us. Between work and family it can be hard to get the time to sit and knock out a batch of flies. There have been a number of swaps I've had to pass on for just that reason.

My flies will be on time

Thanks for putting this together :applause:

[mandinga]

procrastinate????never....not me...lol.


Mine will be on time...I have one set of beetles finished, but I'm still undecided on the second pattern.

[McKenzie]

Might I suggest some sort of flying ant or cricket pattern? Or perhaps an earth worm? Sowbug? Sandfleas? :shrug:

[EugeneFisher]

Mine are done, and have been for a while. But w/ a new puppy running around the apartment, I haven't had time to hit the post office. Will do it this week though!

[Meskel]

Salmonslayer2 just informed me that his flies are in the mail. :wave: All right. So the deadline is coming up. How are we all doing?

Meskel

[Mark Vickers]

I'll admit, I'm struggling. That said, I will have my flies in on time. The spider I'm tying, while very cool, is exceptionally difficult to tie. Each one takes about 30 minutes to tie. I've thrown away several that just plain didn't meet my standards.

Oh well, I'll be a better man for it in the end. :eek:

[mandinga]

I have one set done....they will be there on time.

[EugeneFisher]

Alright, flies are in the mail!

[Meskel]

Stopped off at the post office box on the way home and was happy to find a couple of packages. Salmonslayor2 and EugeneFisher the flies look great.

Looking forward to splitting these all up and sending them back.

Meskel

[deefly]

I will send my crickets this W/E
Deefly :wave:
Oops! make that Monday! Doing Taxes and got over my head!
I have them bagged up and ready to go. For Sure Monday!!! :flowered:

[grsteelies]

Mine will go out monday. I know you don't want to hear it, but I've been fishing the last 15 days. I'm home for the weekend, so they get out on monday.

[mandinga]

both sets are packed and ready for shipment on monday.

[Steve L.]

My hoppers will go out today. Whew, glad I'm not the only deadline dog :cheers:

[Meskel]

I know that things run slow up here on the mountain so I will be anxiously awaiting the arrival of the final flies.

Not satisfied with my second offering (black beetle) I went ahead a whipped up a third. Im not sure it will work but I guarantee that it is a terrestrial.
Once all flies are received they will be promptly split and sent back out.

Thanks to everyone that participated – props to those who got their flies in early. :dance:

Meskel

[Mark Vickers]

Well, I'm the late one. I finally gave up on the spiders. I had only three that got the Mark Quality Seal of Approval and I had thrown away more than a dozen. Mark it as a lesson learned; tie the pattern several times before offering it up as a swap candidate. (Ironicly, my first tie went perfectly, and was probably the best one I've tied so far.)

Last night, after one of the best days of fishing I've had in years, I cranked out 12 little house flies, copying a pattern that I had found in my fly box. I'll drop them in the mail today after I get off of work.

My apologies to the group for being the laggard. If I can ever figure out a consistent way of tying the spider, I'll mail one to each of you.

[grsteelies]

Don't feel too bad Mark. My flies just left Spokane yesterday. I bet yours beat mine to Brians place. Please tell us about that "best day you've had in years." Good luck with that spyder pattern.

[Meskel]

I haven’t heard anything from Abalone in some time and when I try to PM him I get
This user is not accepting private messages.

So im not sure if we will need to get a rope.

As for everyone else it sounds like we will have all the flies in very shortly. As soon as I have them all they will be promptly split and sent out.

Meskel

[Steve L.]

Have you received my hoppers yet ?

[Meskel]

Steve I got your package and they look great. Thanks

I can no longer edit the original post so I will post here. Let me just say that all the flies that are in look great.

1. Meskel - Alien - Received :applause:
2. Abalone - Ant - :shrug:
3. chrome mandinga - beetle - Received :applause:
4. Mark Vickers - house fly - Received :applause:
5. Steve L. - Grasshopper - Received :applause:
6. tyingfool - Cranefly - Received :applause:
7. EugeneFisher - San Juan Worm - Received :applause:
8. grsteelies - Madison river Salmonfly - Received :applause:
9. deefly - Grasshopper or Cricket - Received :applause:
10. Samonslayer2 - Ant - Received :applause:
11. Chrome Mandinga (2nd) - ant - Received :applause:
12. Meskel (2nd) - Black beetle - Received :applause:
Meskel (3rd) - Surprise fly - Received :applause:

I think we will need to decide what to do with every ones extra fly. Abalone looks to be a no show. Throw out some ideas.

Meskel

[Mark Vickers]

Hmmm... I figure you would have received mine by now seeing as it had a whole 30 miles to go. Must be the weight of those wonder wings I tied that are slowing down the shipment. You know, I learned how to tie those things right here on Ifish from a real nice fellow. :cheers:

[grsteelies]

Either send them back, or send them to Jennie. Thanks for putting this together.

[mandinga]

i sent mine 2 days ago....once in a while they send my packages back if I dont personally hand them to the postman...i havent seen it yet :shrug:

[mandinga]

2. Abalone - Ant - :shrug:




i havent seen him around lately...anyone know where he is?

[Steve L.]

Re: extras - Keep them yourself for putting this swap together.

Re: Abalone - Haven't seen a post from him since late last month. Does he travel much or should we call out the posse ?

[AndyK]

Abalone has not been monitoring Ifish. I sent his email address to Meskel.

[Plem]

If there's extra bugs cause Abalone isn't around, keep em. Not your bad if a guy whiffs.

But- you got sign up twice in the next one to make up the short fall or, like my buddy Earl- Karma will bite back.

[Meskel]

It is down to just one. Mandiga’s two contributions arrived today. Both are very nice ties. Thanks for stepping up and tying two.

Mark being the expert tier you are im sure your flies were opened at the post office for fear of transporting actual bugs through the united states postal system. They will probably get in tomorrow.

Flies will hopefully go out early next week.

Meskel

[Chromaflage]

Mark being the expert tier you are im sure your flies were opened at the post office for fear of transporting actual bugs through the united states postal system.


:bigshock: :bigshock: :bigshock: You're joking, right? I sure hope to see some picks of these bugs. How 'bout it, Meskel?

CrF

[Meskel]

I sure hope to see some picks of these bugs.
CrF



Pics will come when all flies are received and mailed back out. I could post pics right away or wait till all the tiers have received their packages. I will leave it up to the tiers to decide.

Got a little anxious tonight so i went ahead and split all the flies on hand. Man do they look great. Nice job guys.
:cheers:

Meskel

[Steve L.]

Meskel, go ahead and post pics as soon as you can. It will just whet my appetite more waiting for the package of flies.

[mandinga]

thanks for running it meskel.

I tied my own beetle pattern that I have caught hundreds of cutts on...the indi-beetle.

the other fly is an ant, and I must say that I have NEVER thrown away so many attempts...I thought the ants were going to be easy...I tried epoxy ants, beads...you name it...im still not happy how they turned out.

[Meskel]

All the flies that are expected to arrive have. :wave: They are some good looking bugs.(hard to tell in this pic)

Thank you everyone for participating. It is my pleasure to show off this box of all your work.

http://www.ifish.net/gallery/data/500/tswap.jpg

Due to the holiday weekend the flies will go out in the mail on Tuesday. Including a set to Jennie.

Thanks again for making my first hosting of a swap an enjoyable one.

Meskel

[Plem]

Alien? What the hhell is this thing? Oh yeah, the pellet was a nice touch- when is that hatch? Probably lakes- especially the day after they stock.? Thinkin some how you could guide me on this one too. :smash:

Vicker nice ant! I also dig that hopper- never seen deer hair like that. I'll be curious to see it float. The drowning salmon fly looks awesome too.

[Meskel]

Yea yea yea Plem it is a terrestrial. Plem got his flies hand delivered in return for a pitcher of beer and extremely cold day of fishing. I have never fished the Alien before but I hear that it is a good one when chasing warm water species.

All the flies have been delivered to a Portland area post office so it should be no time at all before your packages arrive.

Meskel

[Steve L.]

:dance: just got my package today. Will I fish these babies , you bet I will. They look great !

thanks to everyone who participated and to Meskel for putting it together :applause: :cheers:

[Meskel]

Im not sure I want to open this bag of worms but I just would like to know that some one other then Steve L and Plem got the flies in the mail.

Meskel

[mandinga]

got em...thanks

[Mark Vickers]

Vicker nice ant!


LOL. That's my house fly, or at least that's what I thought it looked like. Now that you mention it, it does look more like an ant than a fly...

After the spider fiasco, I went digging for a terrestrial pattern. I had one of these in my fly box that I had purchased in a store several years ago in about a size 16 or 18. There was no way I was going to tie that thing that small and so I upsized it to a 10. Its not a hard pattern to tie.

[grsteelies]

Got Mine! GO ZAGS!